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Re: Qwen3-Max-Thinking

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Aghhh, I wished they release a model which outperforms Opus 4.5 in agentic coding in my earlier comments, seems I should wait more. But I am hopeful

One of the ways the chinese companies are keeping up is by training the models on the outputs of the American fronteir models. I'm not saying they don't innovate in other ways, but this is part of how they caught up quickly. However, it pretty much means they are always going to lag.

Not true, for one very simple reason. AI model capabilities are spiky. Chinese models can SFT off American frontier outputs and use them for LLM-as-judge RL as you note, but if they choose to RL on top of that with a different capability than western labs, they'll be better at that thing (while being worse at the things they don't RL on).

Re: Qwen3-Max-Thinking

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The American LLMs notoriously have similar censorship issues, just on different material

Yes, exactly this. One of the main reasons for ChatGPT being so successful is censorship. Remember that Microsoft launched an AI on Twitter like 10 years ago and within 24 hours they shut it down for outputting PR-unfriendly messages. They are protecting a business just as our AIs do. I can probably bring up a hundred topics that our AIs in EU in US refuse to approach for the very same reason. It's pure hypocrisy.

> I can probably bring up a hundred topics that our AIs in EU in US refuse to approach for the very same reason.

So do it.

Re: Qwen3-Max-Thinking

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The American LLMs notoriously have similar censorship issues, just on different material

Yes, exactly this. One of the main reasons for ChatGPT being so successful is censorship. Remember that Microsoft launched an AI on Twitter like 10 years ago and within 24 hours they shut it down for outputting PR-unfriendly messages. They are protecting a business just as our AIs do. I can probably bring up a hundred topics that our AIs in EU in US refuse to approach for the very same reason. It's pure hypocrisy.

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Re: Qwen3-Max-Thinking

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The American LLMs notoriously have similar censorship issues, just on different material

What material? My lai massacre? Secret bombing campaigns in Cambodia? Kent state? MKULTRA? Tuskegee experiment? Trail of tears? Japanese internment?

I think what these people mean is that it's difficult to get them to be racist, sexist, antisemitic, transphobic, to deny climate change, etc. Still not even the same thing because Western models will happily talk about these things.

Re: Qwen3-Max-Thinking

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Now ask Claude/Chatgpt about touchy israel subjects. Come on now. They all censor something.

I've found it's still pretty easy to get Claude to give an unvarnished response. ChatGPT has been aligned really hard though, it always tries to qualify the bullshit unless you mind-trick it hard.

I switched to Claude entirely. I don't even talk to ChatGPT for research anymore. It makes me feel like I am talking to an unreasonable, screaming, blue-haired liberal.

Re: Qwen3-Max-Thinking

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Hacker News strongly believes Opus 4.5 is the defacto standard and China was consistently 8+ month behind. Curious how this performs. It’ll be a big inflection point if it performs as well as its benchmarks.

Re: Qwen3-Max-Thinking

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The American LLMs notoriously have similar censorship issues, just on different material

Yes, exactly this. One of the main reasons for ChatGPT being so successful is censorship. Remember that Microsoft launched an AI on Twitter like 10 years ago and within 24 hours they shut it down for outputting PR-unfriendly messages. They are protecting a business just as our AIs do. I can probably bring up a hundred topics that our AIs in EU in US refuse to approach for the very same reason. It's pure hypocrisy.

Mention a few?

Re: Qwen3-Max-Thinking

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oh lol

Qwen (also known as Tongyi Qianwen, Chinese: 通义千问; pinyin: Tōngyì Qiānwèn) is a family of large language models developed by Alibaba Cloud.

Had not heard of this LLM.

Anyway EU needs to start pumping into Mistral, its the only valid option. (For EU)

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