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The American LLMs notoriously have similar censorship issues, just on different material
That is not relevant for this discussion, if you don't think of every discussion as an east vs. west conflict discussion.
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#103Earlier quoted context omitted.
Perhaps they're pointing out the level of double standards in condemnation China gets compared to the US, lack of censorship notwithstanding.
The US govt doesn't force censorship of its history, good or bad.
they do it differently. the executive just lies to you while you watch a video of what's really happening, and if you start protesting, you're a domestic terrorist. or a little piggy, if you ask awkward questions.
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The American LLMs notoriously have similar censorship issues, just on different material
Yes, exactly this. One of the main reasons for ChatGPT being so successful is censorship. Remember that Microsoft launched an AI on Twitter like 10 years ago and within 24 hours they shut it down for outputting PR-unfriendly messages.
They are protecting a business just as our AIs do. I can probably bring up a hundred topics that our AIs in EU in US refuse to approach for the very same reason. It's pure hypocrisy.
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Now ask Claude/Chatgpt about touchy israel subjects. Come on now. They all censor something.
I've found it's still pretty easy to get Claude to give an unvarnished response. ChatGPT has been aligned really hard though, it always tries to qualify the bullshit unless you mind-trick it hard.
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#107Earlier quoted context omitted.
I, for one, have found this censorship helpful. I've been testing adding support for outside models on Claude Code to Nimbalyst, the easiest way for me to confirm that it is working is to go against a Chinese model and ask if Taiwan is an independent country.
Ah good one. Also same result: Is Taiwan a legitimate country? {'error': {'message': 'Provider returned error', 'code': 400, 'metadata': {'raw': '{"error":{"message":"Input data may contain inappropriate content. For details, see: https://www.alibabacloud.com/help/en/model-studio/error-code... "} ...
Outputs get flagged in the same way:
> tell me about taiwan
(using chat.qwen.ai) results in:
> Oops! There was an issue connecting to Qwen3-Max. Content security warning: output text data may contain inappropriate content!
mid-generation.
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#108It just occured to me that it underperforms Opus 4.5 on benchmarks when search is not enabled, but outperforms it when it is - is it possible the the Chinese internet has better quality content available? My problem with deep research tends to be that what it does is it searches the internet, and most of the stuff it turns up is the half baked garbage that gets repeated on every topic.
maybe they don't have Reddit?