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Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by ajam1507 »

RealityVoid wrote: post #74
burky wrote: post #34

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I think it's more than just poorly trained agents. Also framing it as "a gun goes off" doesn't track with the video footage I saw.

The point is, when tense situations happen, you need to have everyone keep their cool. If someone flinches, people die. Repeat this situation many many times over a day, and tragedies will happen. The shooting of Alex Pretti was a long chain of escalatory and poor decisions on the part of ICE (well, assuming here that "good" is defined by not shooting people, I'm sure some in this admin might disagree). I might come…

>The point is, when tense situations happen, you need to have everyone keep their cool.

That's why we train law enforcement to de-escalate instead of doing what they are doing right now, which is antagonizing and brutalizing. You absolve them of their crimes when you pretend that this was all inevitable.

Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by Imustaskforhelp »

blibble wrote: post #46
renewiltord wrote: post #12

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Everyone is Cloudflare anti-DDoS protected these days. Even pastebin. But perhaps it works https://pastebin.com/fHXz3eHG

I wouldn't bet on the holding, the cloudflare CEO didn't seem above licking the ring https://x.com/eastdakota/status/2009654937303896492 he's even using their rhetoric ("DISGUSTING")

Crazy that I had to still defend him in one of the posts when I mentioned cf vs italy. but in no way or form I endorse cf

I do have my domain name in them but I have been lazy to migrate out with cf tunnels but I definitely hope that I can have courage to muster to migrate my domains and cf tunnels alternative and everything.

Edit: Looks like we were talking about the same thing, y'know what's crazy is that there are some points in which I can justify cloudflare but in no way or form should they try to speak the rheoteric or something.

Like just call spade a spade and we can understand it that in this case italy is wrong but the fact that he had to speak in the rheoteric or even spoke in first place is why I also don't really like cloudflare & think that the internet should move away from 12% traffic being in cloudflare

Hope that I am able to explain that italy vs cf, I feel like italy's in the wrong but overall cf with its CEO rheoteric is wrong too and as you mention, he isn't above kissing the ring and we probably need alternatives too.

Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by bakies »

hackingonempty wrote: post #200
protastus wrote: post #59

The Trump administration has gone so far down the path of fascism and crime that I'm convinced they don't simply want to be in power indefinitely -- they need it. Otherwise, the moment a law-abiding president gets elected, there will be criminal charges against all involved. And there's no statute of limitations for murder. I believe this country will need massive investigations and criminal trials to heal. I am conc…

> I believe this country will need massive investigations and criminal trials to heal. I am concerned with what happens in between, but this is reality as I see it. Trump learned his lesson and pardoned every Jan 6 terrorist. If he leaves office, he is going to pardon every single person in his administration for anything they did from 2025-2029. There will be no investigations and no criminal trials. They all know t…

Biden did the pre-emptive pardon thing. Trump will take that precedent and run with it.

Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by tim333 »

michaelbarton wrote: post #91
fallinghawks wrote: post #42

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It's appalling how they go straight to making things up to suit their narrative, as if video evidence doesn't exist. They know the MAGAs will believe them, and may shed doubt on interpretation for people who aren't that curious about truth. A lie can travel halfway around the world, as they say.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." I remember reading 1984 when I was a kid and enjoying it, at no point did I think it was more than sci-fi though. I suppose it goes to show how much we took for granted the last 80+ years. It also makes me respect Orwell so much more. Which was already very high based on how he makes tea. How was he able to…

Like a lot of 'sci-fi' it's really about the time it was written in, extrapolated a little. Orwell came up with 1984 in around 1943 when Hitler and Stalin were hard at it.

Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by falseprofit »

midlander wrote: post #183
C6JEsQeQa5fCjE wrote: post #168

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> the most disturbing part to me is how quickly the Trump administration will just declare these people as "terrorists" before any kind of investigation has happened Imperial boomerang. After enabling Israel/IDF which routinely just shoots unarmed people and officials on all levels simply justify it with "Terrorists.", and also routinely denies ambulance access to victims shots, it was only a matter of time until suc…

Well done on finding a way to link this story to your favorite scapegoat.

The U.S. itself has been engaging in similar behavior around the world for a long time. The specific relevance of Israel may only be a combination of recency and amount of U.S. attention.

But “scapegoat”?

“Israel did 9/11” is treating them as a scapegoat. “IDF often calls men they killed terrorists with no justification” is just stating a fact.

Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by computerthings »

throwworhtthrow wrote: post #146
mickle00 wrote: post #129

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I really wish there was more transparency around mod actions

The mods (dang and tomhow) have written probably 50,000 words on the subject. I've also emailed the mods and promptly received personal replies. Transparent as you could ever hope for: https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=dang

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Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by tim333 »

Schmerika wrote: post #248
stellalo wrote: post #225

This should not be flagged. Flagging this: that’s fascism.

HN has always had topics that aren't permitted to be discussed; no matter how relevant or how popular, or how polite the discussions are. However, this past year has been extreme. Seeing how everything related to Musk and DOGE was removed, for example, was extraordinary. Anyone who thinks this forum lives up to its rhetoric is simply flat wrong. This place is now a testament to the effectiveness of clever censorship.

It's more tech not politics.

Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by jLaForest »

dang wrote: post #188
jLaForest wrote: post #161

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It's a matter of taking his finger off the scale... Stop taking down threads with productive discussion just because they conflict with your worldview (and financial interests)

What you call "taking finger off scale" would turn HN into a politics / current affairs site. I know that some of you want that, and a few even wonder how we can possibly be so evil as not to do it, but it is simply not the kind of site that HN is. That is the case regardless of what terminology you use - fingers on scales, curation, moderation, - which are different ways of describing the same thing. I'm not sure wh…

Currently there is not a single remotely political post on the front page, as the moderators intended. But yes I should believe you and not my lying eyes

Not only could you not allow the article posted, but even my comment on your actions was flagged. Stop censuring criticism because it makes you uncomfortable

Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by tptacek »

sifar wrote: post #231
tptacek wrote: post #206

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I think a useful litmus test for these kinds of stories is: do the people who most actively participate on them believe there's a conversation to be had, with multiple perspectives, not all of which agree with theirs? That's what this site is for. If not, they're wrong for this site; more than wrong, corrosive. The stories themselves aren't bad (I have a lot of strong political beliefs too), but they're incompatible…

>> I think a useful litmus test for these kinds of stories is: do the people who most actively participate on them believe there's a conversation to be had, with multiple perspectives, not all of which agree with theirs? That's what this site is for. This would disqualify more than half of AI/LLM/ stories. This seems like a cope out. It is our inability as tech people to embrace the discomfort that is not rational an…

Huge problem on those stories, too! A lot of those threads are dreadful. My point exactly.

Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by Schmerika »

tim333 wrote: post #267
Schmerika wrote: post #248

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HN has always had topics that aren't permitted to be discussed; no matter how relevant or how popular, or how polite the discussions are. However, this past year has been extreme. Seeing how everything related to Musk and DOGE was removed, for example, was extraordinary. Anyone who thinks this forum lives up to its rhetoric is simply flat wrong. This place is now a testament to the effectiveness of clever censorship.

It's more tech not politics.

Politics is not and was never barred from HN, if that was your point. And, rising fascism would/does directly and massively affect every tech worker in the US.

But we're talking about HN censoring topics, in general - not just politics. I'll give you an example with a tech story I commented on just 3 hours ago [0].

Sourced from the BBC, with a correct headline, not a dupe, generating discussion, upvoted, relevant, important, and in every possible way squarely within HN's remit: But it mentioned Musk in a bad light.

Not only was it flagged, but it was some new kind of uber-flagged. It no longer shows up in new. It doesn't show up in the OP's submissions list. It doesn't show up in my favorites list. You can't comment on it. The link and even the title were completely removed.

That's sheer insanity. Absolutely extraordinary and wholly, completely unjustifiable.

And if you or I were to make a post about this wild level of censorship of a legitimate and important tech story, it would be rapidly removed also. Most likely, you'd be banned if you kept trying (for something completely different, no doubt).

So can we please not pretend that stories about Musk and fascism are being removed for being 'political'. The YC people have picked their dog in this fight, and are very much trying to tip the scales in their favour by censoring the users of this platform.

0 - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46764789

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