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Yes, It's Fascism

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Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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If this interested you, here is another detailed and precise article by a historian, on the same topic: https://acoup.blog/2024/10/25/new-acquisitions-1933-and-the-...

…and another one, much less academic in style and substance, but no less informative and relevant: https://scribe.rip/@carmitage/i-researched-every-attempt-to-...

Add the Umberto Eco Ur-Fascism linked below.

Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Because most people are happy to see immigration laws enforced.

source? The mainstream media is not covering the many daily protests I see in my area, and hear and see from friends and family elsewhere. However, I do think the majority of Americans do not have the luxury (or fear of losing their job, and thus their healthcare, etc) to just walk out on their jobs or responsibilities, and the social safety nets here are limited (and being further cut by this administration). I do t…

They literally voted for it.

Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Is it against the rules to call fascism fascism? That's pretty disturbing.

Why is the post flagged? Obviously it's against the rules.

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I challenge you to post a comment labelling the United States government "fascists" in this front-page thread about ICE: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46756117

It won't stay up for long.

Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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> I am so terribly disturbed by the ICE shootings (and killings). There is no justification for them. I think they are simply poorly trained people that are given free reign. The results are disastrous. They probably don't wake up thinking "Today I'm going to murder someone" but they just don't realize what they're doing. I'm not sure how it's at the destructiveness scale at this moment, but these organizations can a…

I think it's more than just poorly trained agents. Also framing it as "a gun goes off" doesn't track with the video footage I saw.

The point is, when tense situations happen, you need to have everyone keep their cool. If someone flinches, people die. Repeat this situation many many times over a day, and tragedies will happen.

The shooting of Alex Pretti was a long chain of escalatory and poor decisions on the part of ICE (well, assuming here that "good" is defined by not shooting people, I'm sure some in this admin might disagree). I might come off too sympathetic to ICE. I am not, but the real killers here are the ones creating these kinds of situations, the ones using ICE as a political gain machine. I'm sure that ICE has its shares of psychopaths, but giving them reign in the first place... those people empowering them have blood on their hands.

Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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logic would indicate that its either (or both) (1) its not about immigration (it's about power and control thru fear) or (2) they're idiots

Agreed. If this were about enforcing immigration law, they would first focus on red states with huge immigrant populations, where they would have full cooperation from the local government and citizens who overwhelmingly voted for Trump. Those supporters who care about enforcing immigration laws would directly benefit. This is obviously violence directed at Minnesota, who is led by a political opponent. It’s capital…

Who can resist a little schadenfreude.

Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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I actually think that there is an amalgam of ideologies here (I know, so very fascist of them). Trump is more of a monarchist. A lot of the people supporting him are outright fascists. Some are plain idiots. Them winning absolute control over the country would be a disaster for their movement though. They'd turn to internal fighting, the entropy of victory and all that. And they don't seem terribly competent with gov…

> Them winning absolute control over the country would be a disaster for their movement though. They'd turn to internal fighting, the entropy of victory and all that. that would be after they've finished executing the undesirables? I am quite amazed that the 2nd amendment people seem to be the ones that are cheering on the federal gestapo

Not surprised at all, we're dealing with post-truth people here, policy is driven by feeling and perception, not coherency and reality.

Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Is it against the rules to call fascism fascism? That's pretty disturbing.

Why is the post flagged? Obviously it's against the rules. edit: I challenge you to post a comment labelling the United States government "fascists" in this front-page thread about ICE: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46756117 It won't stay up for long.

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Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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I don’t understand how there aren’t demonstrations happening almost everywhere in the US by now.

Because most people are happy to see immigration laws enforced.

You can be pro-immigration enforcement, while also anti whatever-the-fuck-this-is.

It's called being pro-rule of law.

You're not allowed to just shoot people in the back that are very obviously not a threat, even if their idiotic lack of proper training makes them feel like they're in danger. It's literally South Parkian "they're coming right for us!!!" -- BANG -- as justification for lethal force of an unarmed person in custody.

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