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Scientists identify brain waves that define the limits of 'you'

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Re: Scientists identify brain waves that define the limits of 'you'

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Post by judahmeek »

BrtByte wrote: post #54
augusteo wrote: post #4

The manipulation part is what fascinates me. They didn't just correlate alpha wave frequency with ownership perception. They used transcranial stimulation to artificially speed up or slow down the waves, and the subjective experience changed accordingly. That's a pretty direct causal link between a measurable brain state and something as fundamental as "where does my body end?"

It also makes the self feel uncomfortably fragile

This technique is likely to be utilized in some government interrogation methods now.

An excellent example of research that maybe shouldn't have been pursued, although it's possible that there are a large number of potential recuperative applications as well that I'm not aware of.

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Post by woliveirajr »

arnejenssen wrote: post #57

Some years ago I played a car game with Virtual Reality (VR). I noticed that it felt like the car was a part of me. I wonder if the brain can experience if clothing, tools, bikes are part of the body?

A cell phone vibrating in your pocket: in the first days, after some days of use, many people would feel it vibrating as a muscle sensation, not as external thing vibrating.

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Post by cogman10 »

BrtByte wrote: post #54
augusteo wrote: post #4

The manipulation part is what fascinates me. They didn't just correlate alpha wave frequency with ownership perception. They used transcranial stimulation to artificially speed up or slow down the waves, and the subjective experience changed accordingly. That's a pretty direct causal link between a measurable brain state and something as fundamental as "where does my body end?"

It also makes the self feel uncomfortably fragile

That fragility is something you have to come to grips with if you've ever known someone that has a brain injury.

The self changes rapidly when dementia, alzheimers, a car crash, or a concussion which rocks someone's world the wrong way.

Who we are is incredibly fragile. You are just one bad infection away from being a different person.

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Post by Sharlin »

arnejenssen wrote: post #57

Some years ago I played a car game with Virtual Reality (VR). I noticed that it felt like the car was a part of me. I wonder if the brain can experience if clothing, tools, bikes are part of the body?

Yes, I think it’s a well-known phenomenon that the brain extends its concept of the body to tools, vehicles etc that you learn to use well.

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Post by mystraline »

meindnoch wrote: post #48
prox wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is something like the heart field, about 3 to 4 feet according to the article. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20664147/ Meditation can alter a lot of “you” , and there is a reason you learn the advanced stuff under a guru (yoga mostly) or monk (buddhism).

Let's see this article! The abstract begins with: >Recent health research has focused on subtle energy and vibrational frequency as key components of health and healing. *ding ding, crackpot alert, ding ding*

"Subtle energy" and "vibrational frequency" are dead giveaways of metaphysics instead of science.

I'm not adverse to that, as I do believe that much of metaphysics does have real physical backing that we haven't uncovered yet.

But I also asked a strong scientific question. First, with the human electric field, how far does it extend outside the body and at what strength? Secondly, can drugs or practices modify this, and how so?

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Post by [deleted] »

cogman10 wrote: post #63
BrtByte wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It also makes the self feel uncomfortably fragile

That fragility is something you have to come to grips with if you've ever known someone that has a brain injury. The self changes rapidly when dementia, alzheimers, a car crash, or a concussion which rocks someone's world the wrong way. Who we are is incredibly fragile. You are just one bad infection away from being a different person.

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Post by bamboozled »

tehmillhouse wrote: post #60
BrtByte wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It also makes the self feel uncomfortably fragile

Buddhism has bad news for you

I once read “The Joy of Living” by Yongey Mingyur Rinpoche. It should come with a warning. It broke me for a year. I’m actually grateful for the existential crisis it caused me. But it was a brutal experience at first.

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Post by roywiggins »

arnejenssen wrote: post #57

Some years ago I played a car game with Virtual Reality (VR). I noticed that it felt like the car was a part of me. I wonder if the brain can experience if clothing, tools, bikes are part of the body?

I actually think drivers routinely experience this, which explains a lot of road rage.

Re: Scientists identify brain waves that define the limits of 'you'

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Post by roywiggins »

woliveirajr wrote: post #62
arnejenssen wrote: post #57

Some years ago I played a car game with Virtual Reality (VR). I noticed that it felt like the car was a part of me. I wonder if the brain can experience if clothing, tools, bikes are part of the body?

A cell phone vibrating in your pocket: in the first days, after some days of use, many people would feel it vibrating as a muscle sensation, not as external thing vibrating.

I experience "having something in the copy/paste buffer" as a distinct sensation in my Ctrl-V hand.
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