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Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by yieldcrv »

PlatoIsADisease wrote: post #74
bawolff wrote: post #29

That's crazy. That's like ~40% of the deaths in the current gaza war, except over just 2 days instead of 2 years.

I've read a ton of philosophy and something I don't really understand is that one nation killing another is more immoral than when a nation does this to their own domestic population. Sure you will get some nay-sayers who say 'a life is a life', if moral particles existed, they might be correct. But for some reason, humanity doesn't seem to care as much. What makes intra-state politics more acceptable to use violence…

> What makes intra-state politics more acceptable to use violence?

Acceptable? It's more about the consequences or lack thereof, the incentives

History has shown that pretty much nothing happens to the regime unless two coalitions of countries invade from both sides simultaneously, and that's like, not going to happen

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by c420 »

voidfunc wrote: post #84
cm2012 wrote: post #21

This is certainly the end of peaceful Iranian protests. Whether it leads to a violent revolution or a static police state like North Korea remains to be seen.

Seems the regime is OK shooting their way out of this problem. How big are these protests? 30K isn't exactly a small number of protestors.

Not just shooting, chemical warfare:

"Iranian security forces deployed unknown chemical substances amid deadly crackdowns on protestors in several cities earlier this month, eyewitnesses told Iran International, causing severe breathing problems and burning pain.

They described symptoms that they said went beyond those caused by conventional tear gas, including severe breathing difficulties, sudden weakness and loss of movement...

...According to the accounts, in some cases gunfire began at the same time, or immediately after, protesters lost the ability to walk or run and fell to the ground.

Several witnesses said that moments of immobilization became points at which shooting intensified, particularly when protesters collapsed in alleys or while trying to flee.

Reports came from multiple cities, including Tehran, Isfahan and Sabzevar."

https://www.iranintl.com/en/202601235991

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by yieldcrv »

vjvjvjvjghv wrote: post #82
bawolff wrote: post #29

That's crazy. That's like ~40% of the deaths in the current gaza war, except over just 2 days instead of 2 years.

I can’t even imagine how this could be done. Nazi concentration camps would have had trouble killing that many in 2 days.

that's because they weren't shooting crowds already assembled in the streets and going into hospitals nationwide to find the injured. Nazi Germany was aiming to maintain plausible deniability in the concentration camps for as long as possible, while parallel competing plans for what to do with the population were being explored and failing. (there were other solutions before and alonside the final solution)

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by LAC-Tech »

fwipsy wrote: post #123
LAC-Tech wrote: post #85

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Iran is the 17th most populous nation in the world, with 93 million people. These protests seem to be occurring across the entire nation. Another comment mentioned over 4,000 separate clashes. Other sources have already corroborated a lower bound in the mid-thousands. I think the burden is on you to refute these numbers by showing that the sources are deliberately misleading or finding a flaw in the methodology. Simp…

https://www.en-hrana.org/day-twenty-eight-of-the-protests-ar...

This is the organisation most commonly cited in news reports, they estimate ~5200 protestors confirmed killed (+ a few hundred more for security personnel killed)

They are a group of anti-regime Iranian dissidents based in the US. I don't know why they would seek to provide a deliberately low estimate.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by redwood »

EngineerUSA wrote: post #109
redwood wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mehdi Hasssan worked for Al Jazeera which is funded by Qatar and is an arm of the Muslim Brotherhood with a very specific political agenda. You'll notice they barely are covering the Iran News

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That's like saying that Hamas and the IRGC aren't affiliates because they're from different religious sects. What binds them is an interest in political religion and a shared antipathy to the west.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by redwood »

komali2 wrote: post #98
redwood wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Check out https://www.reddit.com/r/NewIran/

How can I know if this subreddit is populated by college students, let alone leftists?

It's not, it's populated by Iranians wishing to take down the regime but frequently they reference college student posts from elsewhere, in sadness

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by redwood »

EngineerUSA wrote: post #109
redwood wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mehdi Hasssan worked for Al Jazeera which is funded by Qatar and is an arm of the Muslim Brotherhood with a very specific political agenda. You'll notice they barely are covering the Iran News

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Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by ch4s3 »

bigyabai wrote: post #114
ch4s3 wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to a twitter comment by a reporter who didn’t back the claim with any evidence.

With respects to Mordechai Vanunu, I can understand why he didn't try leaking documents.

If Ravid isn't even willing to say that someone told him on background, it sounds like bullshit or speculation. Guys like Ravid are intentionally or no part of the myth making around Mossad where they are simultaneously everywhere int he Middle East and nowhere at once.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by piekvorst »

Braxton1980 wrote: post #139
piekvorst wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“A country that violates the rights of its own citizens, will not respect the rights of its neighbors.” That’s from my readings of philosophy. But yeah, I do recognize the same sentiment as you found. I think philosophy itself is an answer: most philosophies explicitly champion dictatorships, under whitewashed terms. Ever heard something like “society is a big organ transcending individual needs”? We got it from Hege…

>most philosophies explicitly champion dictatorships I don't understand how you could make this claim. "society is a big organ transcending individual needs”?" How does this statement by Hegel champion dictatorships?

> I don't understand how you could make this claim.

After studying Plato, Hegel, Marx, Rousseau, fascist ideologies, Jeremy Bentham and John Stuart Mill. This list is by no means exhaustive, just a few majors from the top of my head.

Sure, they didn’t just say “shoot people for power.” That’s a very shallow modern view. Instead, they champion extreme forms of altruism and its only logical expression: statism, which holds that man’s life and work belong to the state, to society, to the group, the race, the nation, the economic class.

> How does this statement by Hegel champion dictatorships?

The statement alone surely doesn’t. His philosophy does. For him, state is a sacred authority that transcends individual will.

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