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Post by andygeorge »

rlt wrote: post #510
cauch wrote: post #483

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I'm saying that the majority of the people supporting the crackdown don't care about the fact that the crackdown may break the law. Which is demonstrated by the fact that these people totally don't care of what is the number of innocents deported. You can see these people saying "we should deport the illegals", but how often you can see them saying "but I also want to know the number of innocent deported, and if this…

If there were any evidence of widespread deportations of people who shouldn't be then I think you'd see more people speaking up, but there's not. People don't have to caveat their support of every policy with hypotheticals. I also don't think most people want illegal aliens to be deported for "justice". They (rightfully or wrongly) think they're taking their jobs, contributing to crime, facilitating drug trade, costi…

Would love a source

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Post by azan_ »

charcircuit wrote: post #468
azan_ wrote: post #395

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> This type of thinking is what is leading to the destruction of order there. Are you sure it's this kind of thinking that's at fault? I would've said that it's actually caused by giving people without training and any serious screening extreme power with absolutely zero accountability. Would love to hear your take on this though.

Yes, I am sure it plays a factor, giving people justification for their actions. The issue is that restoring order is not easy. And when the people making disorder are antagonistic to the people restoring order that clash leads to unfortunate scenarios. Lack of training (specifically direct experience of dealing with such behavior) or screening plays a role in how order is restored but these are reactive actions. In…

> In my mind everyone would be better off if we all maintained order so these clashes didn't have to happen in the first place.

In my mind everyone would be better off if current incarnation of ICE was disbanded so these clashes didn't have to happen in the first place. You've completely switched cause and effect - ICE behavior is the CAUSE of protests, not the effect!

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Post by zugi »

lovich wrote: post #466
zugi wrote: post #311

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These are both true statements, but there's a huge difference in scale. The UK arrests 12,000 people per year for social media posts ( https://freedomhouse.org/country/united-kingdom/freedom-net/... ), for a broad range of vague reasons including causing offense. That's far more than much larger totalitarian nations like Russia and China. The US arrests folks for direct online threats of violence - a much higher bar.

Not anymore. Now in the US you can be arrested if cops think you disrespected a dead guy they liked[1] [1] https://apnews.com/article/charlie-kirk-meme-tennessee-arres...

Yes, that was egregious and well-publicized. I've seen another case of a small-town sheriff arresting someone for a Facebook post that absolutely was not a threat of violence. Both were released and I believe the latter won a lawsuit for wrongful arrest.

But in general in the US "offending" others is not a legal basis for arrest, as much as some in power would like it to be.

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Post by nailer »

hydrogen7800 wrote: post #414
nailer wrote: post #325

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Someone bought a Sig Sauer gun that’s known to go off when moved suddenly (you can find as many videos as you want on the issue) - grabbed an agent and resisted arrest. The gun went off during the arrest, officers thought the man was firing at them. It’s tragic - the way to prevent this is to increase calm, give the federal officers some support, stop conspiracy theories (eg like the boy that abandoned by his father…

Well, that's an interesting take. Even if a holstered weapon did discharge (no idea how likely this is for the specific weapon in question), why would someone suspect they are being fired at by a person with a holstered weapon? Poor/no training is the most charitable explanation. I suppose enough people will grasp at this take.

The only person suggesting the gun went off while holstered was the sibling comment by ‘AngryData’. After ICE discoverers the gun and yells “gun! Gun!” the Sig discharges into the ground (visible in some of the videos) before he is shot 3 times.

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Post by TheOtherHobbes »

LadyCailin wrote: post #504
iugtmkbdfil834 wrote: post #158

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This. As much as I would like to say 'individual responsibility' and all that, the sheer amount of information that is designed to make one follow a specific path, react in specific way or offer opinion X is crazy. I am not entirely certain what the solution is, but I am saying this as a person, who likes to think I am somewhat aware of attempts to subvert my judgment and I still catch myself learning ( usually later…

Who is most responsible for stopping Trump from doing horrible shit? Besides of course, Trump himself. Surely that must be his base, yes? Then followed by Americans at large. It’s surely not, say, Canada’s responsibility, no? There’s a spectrum of responsibility, and you can find out who is at the top of that spectrum of those that think the thing is bad, and hold them at least morally responsible. In this case, yes,…

His base are the 0.01%. They could end this tomorrow by phoning their pet senators and having a quiet word.

The people on the front lines - including the ICE thugs - are entirely disposable. They people using them have zero interest in their welfare or how this works out for them in the long term. (Spoilers - not well.)

Of course they don't understand this. But this is absolutely standard for authoritarian fascism - groom and grudge farm the petty criminals and deviants, recruit them as regime enforcers with promises of money and freedom from consequences, set them loose, profit.

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Post by afpx »

midlander wrote: post #497
afpx wrote: post #472

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I’m hoping the world grants everyone citizenship to the state of Israel. Most of us are children of Abraham statistically anyway. And, think of all the benefits and economic development.

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I mean, isn't Israel the best candidate country, though?

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Post by insane_dreamer »

fastball wrote: post #344
jayd16 wrote: post #249

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Pam Bondi is now demanding voter rolls. It's clearly about suppressing liberal voters in liberal areas through a show of force. They're using this data to optimize who to harass.

How does that work? As a US citizen, no amount of "harassment" is going to stop me from voting.

you should read up on efforts to suppress the vote of certain US citizens, especially those who are poor and/or of color

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Post by AngryData »

rlt wrote: post #473
AngryData wrote: post #400

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Lol no, guns don't just magically go off when in a holster. Yes mechanical failures do happen, but it requires very specific types of impact in very specific ways that cannot happen when in a holster and are so rare as to happen on decade timescales with tens of thousands of the gun. Also I saw zero evidence of that guys gun going off in the video, the first shot heard is the shot coming out of the ICE goon's gun tha…

The Sig Sauer P320, which is what Alex Pretti had, is notorious for unintentionally discharging. Various law enforcement agencies and militaries have stopped using it for that reason. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIG_Sauer_P320

"the firearm may discharge when it is dropped and the back of the slide hits the ground at a 33-degree angle"

That is pretty hard to accomplish while its in a holster unless the guy was suplexed and his entire spine turned to jello giving the gun a multi-foot uncushioned drop.

"misfire was due to "a partial depression of the trigger by a foreign object combined with simultaneous movement of the slide"

Which is irrelevant when in a shielded holster like this guy has.

On top of all this, even had the gun went off, which I have found zero evidence to support, how would that guy know who's gun went off to start with? Guns don't light up with a bunch of LEDs to show you it has been fired. If you aren't staring directly at the gun, which isn't really possible in the scenario that played out, you wouldn't know whos gun went off. And even if someone was staring at the gun and saw it go off, how does a holstered gun that nobody is holding represent any sort of threat? You think the guy is controlling his gun with his mind powers?

I don't even know why im bother argueing with you because this entire thing is ludicrous. I find it hard to believe you have watched any of the video of the incident at all and came to this conclusion.

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Post by steve-atx-7600 »

tombert wrote: post #264
simonw wrote: post #2

Any time I see people say "I don't see why I should care about my privacy, I've got nothing to hide" I think about how badly things can go if the wrong people end up in positions of power. The classic example here is what happens when someone is being stalked by an abusive ex-partner who works in law enforcement and has access to those databases. This ICE stuff is that scaled up to a multi-billion dollar federal agen…

> This ICE stuff is that scaled up to a multi-billion dollar federal agency with, apparently, no accountability for following the law at all. Apparently any time they do anything horrifying, they will just declare that victim as a "terrorist" or something, and their sycophantic supporters will happily agree. What I find amusing is that when the Snowden leaks happened and I would discuss it, when I said something like…

Yes, exactly. But, I’ll admit it took me until the republican primary before the 2016 election for this to register in my mind. I was born in the US in the 80s & fell into the “what you see is all there is” bias (and hadn’t read enough history before then either).

Another opinion that I’m sure will get me downvoted is that this is the primary reason I support gun ownership by private citizens. I think having a chance at stopping mass government slaughter like in Iran and Syria is overall better than the downside.

Bottom line is that human nature has not changed. Some of us westerners take comfortable lives for granted because we’ve been lucky.

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Post by tombert »

EngineerUSA wrote: post #186

Palantir is interesting. Founded by a closeted German, run by an Israeli operative, and a 3rd arm of the federal gov. I wish we could prosecute it in my lifetime for the numerous violations of privacy it undertakes, but the world does not work that way. The rich enjoy private jets subsidized by our hard-earned taxes, while violating ideals held by our Founding fathers (for what would Thiel or the current CEO know abo…

At least the billionaires also act indignant when you suggest that they weren't singularly responsible for literally every good thing that has ever happened.
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