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FAA institutes nationwide drone no-fly zones around ICE operations

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Post by terminalshort »

actionfromafar wrote: post #156
terminalshort wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Ordering violence orchestrated by the military is a core constitutional power. It's called being "commander-in-chief" of the armed forces. Incorrect. The commander in chief, same as all military officers, has the authority to issue lawful orders to the chain of command below him. He does not have the authority to issue unlawful orders, and if he does, his subordinates have the legal obligation to disobey them. The…

Ok he can tell his chain of command some lies then. Same difference.

How on earth is that going to make the orders lawful?

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Post by tdb7893 »

theoreticalmal wrote: post #8

I don’t fully understand why drone operators follow these laws. Or any “no-fly” rules in general. Around an airport, it seems like common sense to not fly. Can’t someone just…buy/build a drone and fly is surreptitiously?

Woah woah woah, let's not encourage domestic terrorism here! Because they'll bring criminal charges and that's also what they'll call you so you better not get caught.

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Post by gcanyon »

killingtime74 wrote: post #16
theoreticalmal wrote: post #8

I don’t fully understand why drone operators follow these laws. Or any “no-fly” rules in general. Around an airport, it seems like common sense to not fly. Can’t someone just…buy/build a drone and fly is surreptitiously?

What if you're already flying when they enter your vicinity. It's pretty easy to do in a city. Also they may not announce themselves until you're already violating or even after when they charge you

I think that's the point.

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Post by dmitrygr »

squigz wrote: post #120
dmitrygr wrote: post #93

> But how will i know where such zones are ?! Pilot here. This is not unprecedented. The same kind of thing applies to all major sporting events. They have no-fly zones but FAA provides NO official source for getting the info of when such events occur and why. It is left to the pilots to find out all major sporting events and stadiums around and when they have events, under serious penalties. It forces pilots to care…

Aren't NOTAMs published for those with specific information about the TFR, including location and time window?

NO. They just say “any event”

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Post by ceejayoz »

terminalshort wrote: post #150
refulgentis wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’re a student of history, thus I think you understand how “commander in chief of the armed forces” is a constitutional duty without needing further explanation of why. I think you intended to communicate the Supreme Court would balk at it happening. Yes. Much like Kavanaugh balking at ethnicity-based stops after allowing language + skin color based stops. By then, it’s too late.

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We blew up shipwrecked survivors a few weeks ago, which is a textbook example of a war crime.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/12/us/politics/us-boat-attac...

> Two survivors of the initial attack later appeared to wave at the aircraft after clambering aboard an overturned piece of the hull, before the military killed them in a follow-up strike that also sank the wreckage. It is not clear whether the initial survivors knew that the explosion on their vessel had been caused by a missile attack.

And "textbook" is not an exaggeration.

https://apnews.com/article/boat-strikes-survivors-hegseth-72...

> The Pentagon’s own manual on the laws of war describes a scenario similar to the Sept. 2 boat strike when discussing when service members should refuse to comply with unlawful orders. “For example,” the manual says, “orders to fire upon the shipwrecked would be clearly illegal.”

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Post by actionfromafar »

terminalshort wrote: post #161
actionfromafar wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok he can tell his chain of command some lies then. Same difference.

How on earth is that going to make the orders lawful?

On the receiving end, giving cover and benefit of a doubt.

The chain of command may or may not signal (similarly to the Supreme Court) what kind of fig leaf lies are required.

From there it’s a game of telephone until a barrel of a gun.

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Post by squigz »

dmitrygr wrote: post #164
squigz wrote: post #120

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Aren't NOTAMs published for those with specific information about the TFR, including location and time window?

NO. They just say “any event”

What about SEAMS, mentioned here? https://www.faa.gov/uas/getting_started/where_can_i_fly/airs...

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Post by [deleted] »

avidiax wrote: post #122
derektank wrote: post #114

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They made that ruling while Biden was president. It seems hard to call that an example of rubber stamping for an administration that did not exist yet. John Roberts and other conservative members of the court do have an ideological commitment to the Unitary Executive Theory of the presidency (foolishly, in my view) but this has the potential to benefit both Democratic and Republican presidents.

That ruling[1] is even worse than rubber stamping. It's saying that no stamp is needed at all. > It seems hard to call that an example of rubber stamping for an administration that did not exist yet. The Trump administration absolutely did exist, both in the past and the present (waiting in the wings) in July 2024 when the ruling was issued. While it's true that all past and future presidents are affected by the ruli…

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Post by terminalshort »

ceejayoz wrote: post #165
terminalshort wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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We blew up shipwrecked survivors a few weeks ago, which is a textbook example of a war crime. https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/12/us/politics/us-boat-attac... > Two survivors of the initial attack later appeared to wave at the aircraft after clambering aboard an overturned piece of the hull, before the military killed them in a follow-up strike that also sank the wreckage. It is not clear whether the initial survivors…

Ok, but that was not ordered by the president so is completely irrelevant to the discussion of presidential immunity.

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Post by jacquesm »

DennisP wrote: post #129
jacquesm wrote: post #80

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Most people can't operate drones, period. FPV is a skill you can learn though and for filming armed thugs I actually can't think of a better tool because it allows you to fly the drone out of LOS so you can do it from a relatively safe position while still getting footage that matters. For extra protection you could even abandon the drone and record the video directly on your headset.

> Most people can't operate drones, period. Technically true I guess, but learning to fly a recent DJI drone takes about ten minutes. You're not so much flying it, as telling it what you want and letting it fly itself. And the controller has a built-in tutorial with a simulator.

True, but DJI drones are comparably well behaved (and boring) compared to a homebrew FPV. Even there you have various stabilization modes, including alt-hold, pos-hold and so on. In full acro mode they're a handful, that's for sure, but you don't have to fly like that, just fly in stabilized until you get the hang of that and want to live more dangerously.
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