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FAA institutes nationwide drone no-fly zones around ICE operations

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Re: FAA institutes nationwide drone no-fly zones around ICE operations

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Post by UncleEntity »

mothballed wrote: post #64
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of the hallmarks of authoritarianism is to have laws that are virtually impossible to not break. I hope this gets tested in court and declared unconstitutional for being overly vague and arbitrary. For example, Montana used to have some maximum speed limits that were just "reasonable and prudent", but they were eventually rejected by courts as being too vague (what's prudent to you may not be prudent to someone e…

The gun free school zone act has been upheld even though you could be within 1000 ft of one with no real indication there is one there. Supposedly you can only be convicted for doing it knowingly, but IIRC knowingly has been interpreted to mean as little as you live near the area so reasonably should have known. Also note, i.e. stuff like statutory rape has been upheld even in cases where the perpetrator in all good…

>> Also note, i.e. stuff like statutory rape has been upheld even in cases where the perpetrator in all good faith thought the victim was 18+, the victim initiated selling the services, and the victim provided fake ID showing they were 18+.

You had me up to the "selling the services" part.

If you are 'engaging' with someone in a criminal enterprise it's probably reasonable to assume they might misrepresent certain facts to make the sale.

Re: FAA institutes nationwide drone no-fly zones around ICE operations

#92

Post by ProjectArcturis »

frumplestlatz wrote: post #23
ghouse wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you can't make heads or tails of the videos, then how is it clear to you he wasn't merely filming?

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None so blind as those who refuse to see.

Re: FAA institutes nationwide drone no-fly zones around ICE operations

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Post by dmitrygr »

> But how will i know where such zones are ?!

Pilot here. This is not unprecedented. The same kind of thing applies to all major sporting events. They have no-fly zones but FAA provides NO official source for getting the info of when such events occur and why. It is left to the pilots to find out all major sporting events and stadiums around and when they have events, under serious penalties. It forces pilots to care about sportsball.

Re: FAA institutes nationwide drone no-fly zones around ICE operations

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Post by UncleEntity »

oawiejrlij wrote: post #50
dayofthedaleks wrote: post #4

Bubble of protection is 3000 feet laterally and 1000 feet vertically. From the article: “Unlike traditional Temporary Flight Restrictions, the NOTAM does not provide geographic coordinates, activation times, or public notification when the restriction is in effect near a specific location. Instead, the restricted airspace moves with DHS assets, meaning the no-fly zone can appear wherever ICE or other DHS units operat…

I'm guessing that's entirely the idea. There will be even more cameras on them after yesterday, and they're trying to be proactive in having the authority to arrest all of them. They want the authority to arrest someone who was just out flying a drone and happened to film them as they moved.

IDK, it's probably more a matter where they don't want people to be flying RPGs into their windscreens and this is the first step for them to carry around frequency jammers. The last time I was in Iraq they used them to stop the cellphone detonated IEDs and all the convoys has one or two.

Coincidentally, folks won't be able to live stream their encounters but I'm sure that's totally unrelated...

Re: FAA institutes nationwide drone no-fly zones around ICE operations

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Post by jjav »

mothballed wrote: post #64
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of the hallmarks of authoritarianism is to have laws that are virtually impossible to not break. I hope this gets tested in court and declared unconstitutional for being overly vague and arbitrary. For example, Montana used to have some maximum speed limits that were just "reasonable and prudent", but they were eventually rejected by courts as being too vague (what's prudent to you may not be prudent to someone e…

The gun free school zone act has been upheld even though you could be within 1000 ft of one with no real indication there is one there. Supposedly you can only be convicted for doing it knowingly, but IIRC knowingly has been interpreted to mean as little as you live near the area so reasonably should have known. Also note, i.e. stuff like statutory rape has been upheld even in cases where the perpetrator in all good…

School buildings don't randomly and secretly move around all the time.

So while there isn't a line drawn on the ground, it's completely different.

Re: FAA institutes nationwide drone no-fly zones around ICE operations

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Post by jacquesm »

arthurcolle wrote: post #81
jacquesm wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gah that sucks. I've looked at the hardware specs and basically ended up drooling over it and realizing that my homebrew stuff will never be able to compete. But the optics alone on that DJI stuff is nothing short of science fiction compared to what you can put together on a hobbyists budget. But for $7K you can build an octocopter with twice the range and twice the payload, which may not be as impressive on paper bu…

Since them I've acquired a 3D printer, so I've increased the surface area of expensive things I can break. If I can ever figure out how to repurpose some of these electronics maybe for some kind of AI robot (yes, the gimbal + camera optics are so nice, it feels like a sci fi eyeball from 2037!) I will be back in business. Some people sell exploits to "jailbreaks DJI drone firmware but with current US admin I don't th…

I'm flying very experimental drones (~1 Kg only so not super heavy, but still, you don't want one to land on your head) in an urban environment so I really care a lot about keeping things safe and within my yard. This seems like it was the easiest way to get really hard safety guarantees. That thing is going nowhere further than the length of the tether. Building drones is fun, there is a ton to learn and the constraints are crazy enough that you have to be very creative.

If there is one resource I can point you to that may help to inspire you have a look at this:

https://www.drehmflight.com/

Top engineering skills, very likable character and an amazing source of hard tech knowledge.

Re: FAA institutes nationwide drone no-fly zones around ICE operations

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Post by UncleEntity »

kernal wrote: post #84
Cornbilly wrote: post #61

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Yeah, that’s been the GOP playbook for 20+ years. It’s only recently been used for US citizens.

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Here's the problem, from what I've been hearing most of the actual criminals they've been "catching" are turned over by local and state law enforcement agencies with the rest are either in the process of criminal proceedings (that pesky "innocent until proven guilty" thing) or are involved in the immigration process as dictated by law.

They are literally pulling people out of judicial hearings, where the people are trying to comply with the law, and throwing them on airplanes without due process. Or just randomly snatching people off the streets with no probable cause including the occasional US citizen based on their (ancestors) national origin.

Seriously, my step-father's family became US citizens as a result of the Mexican-American War and the federal courts say it's probable cause to detain them based on their physical appearance. Like, WTF???

--edit--

Just remembered my grandmother saying she didn't teach her children Spanish because she didn't want them to grow up with and accent because she was literally beat if she spoke Spanish in school. True, this was 100 years ago but still...

Re: FAA institutes nationwide drone no-fly zones around ICE operations

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Post by jacquesm »

Cornbilly wrote: post #90
kernal wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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You mean the ones that we had the ability to remove in previous administrations without the need for harassing and assaulting non-criminals and citizens on the street? As for the list, do you think this DHS compiles a list of its fuckups and publishes it? I can get you some news articles if you’d like.

And their list of fuckups is longer than their list of successes. It's like shooting with a machine gun into a random crowd because you think there might be a criminal in there somewhere. And that's when we for the moment pretend that their stated reason is their real reason, one that becomes increasingly less plausible.

This really is just domestic terrorism, only the government is the one doing the terrorizing.

Re: FAA institutes nationwide drone no-fly zones around ICE operations

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Post by jacquesm »

UncleEntity wrote: post #94
oawiejrlij wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm guessing that's entirely the idea. There will be even more cameras on them after yesterday, and they're trying to be proactive in having the authority to arrest all of them. They want the authority to arrest someone who was just out flying a drone and happened to film them as they moved.

IDK, it's probably more a matter where they don't want people to be flying RPGs into their windscreens and this is the first step for them to carry around frequency jammers. The last time I was in Iraq they used them to stop the cellphone detonated IEDs and all the convoys has one or two. Coincidentally, folks won't be able to live stream their encounters but I'm sure that's totally unrelated...

Yes, because the USA is totally undistinguishable from an active war zone...

Re: FAA institutes nationwide drone no-fly zones around ICE operations

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Post by scoofy »

gtowey wrote: post #52
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of the hallmarks of authoritarianism is to have laws that are virtually impossible to not break. I hope this gets tested in court and declared unconstitutional for being overly vague and arbitrary. For example, Montana used to have some maximum speed limits that were just "reasonable and prudent", but they were eventually rejected by courts as being too vague (what's prudent to you may not be prudent to someone e…

> I hope this gets tested in court and declared unconstitutional The rule of law has left the building. The SC is willing to rubber-stamp nearly anything right now. Waiting and hoping for common sense to prevail is what allows authoritarian regimes to bulldoze through existing laws and norms. Even if the courts were an avenue for redress, they are being overwhelmed by the daily barrage of new illegal and unconstituti…

If you think the SCOTUS has been arbitrarily rubber stamping the administration's goals, you haven't been paying attention. I'll fully agree with you it appears to have been fairly partisan, but less than a month again they blocked the administration from deploying the national guard to states:

>In one of its most consequential rulings of the year, just before breaking for the holidays last week the Supreme Court held that President Trump acted improperly in federalizing the National Guard in Illinois and in activating troops across the state. Although the case centered on the administration’s deployments in Chicago, the court’s ruling suggests that Trump’s actions in Los Angeles and Portland were likewise illegal.

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2025-12-30/supreme-cou...

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