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Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by iso1631 »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #59
plagiarist wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The same people saying that will also defend police wearing masks, hiding badges, and shutting off body cameras. They are not participating in discussions with the same values (truth, integrity) that you have. Logic does not work on people who believe Calvinistic predestination is the right model for society.

Anyone on the right who implicates Pretti for carrying a licensed firearm is a good litmus test for bad faith.

I assume the NRA are out in droves at a US citizen being executed for carrying a gun?

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by LightBug1 »

sambull wrote: post #105
nxm wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do explain

“If it was up to Stephen [Miller], there would only be 100 million people in this country, and they would all look like him.” To accomplish things like that, a lot of us are going to be removed. I don't think these are jokes, it's a pattern of statements to condition and normalize. A thing he has done over and over.

... a Temu Fredo Corleone with a Nazi haricut ...

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by belorn »

asveikau wrote: post #116
billy99k wrote: post #23

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They sold us on a lie about the extent of the illegal immigrant "problem". It's numerically impossible to make the promises they made and not deport people who it's hard to argue should be deported. Immigrants also commit crimes at fewer rates than US born people and crime is at all time lows. Yet they sold us for years on a crime moral panic and phantom "migrant crime". So you said, propose a solution that also invo…

It is fairly well established that social economic status is the largest predictor for crime than any other predictor. In order for immigrants to commit crimes at a lower rate than US born people we would have to make the claim that immigrants has an average higher social economical status than US born people.

The statistics you are looking for is that the sum of all crimes is lower for immigrants than US born people. 13.8% of the US population are immigrant residents, so in order for the sum of immigration crime to be higher than US born people the rate would need to be close to 1000% larger, which it is not.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by tombert »

simonw wrote: post #2

Any time I see people say "I don't see why I should care about my privacy, I've got nothing to hide" I think about how badly things can go if the wrong people end up in positions of power. The classic example here is what happens when someone is being stalked by an abusive ex-partner who works in law enforcement and has access to those databases. This ICE stuff is that scaled up to a multi-billion dollar federal agen…

> This ICE stuff is that scaled up to a multi-billion dollar federal agency with, apparently, no accountability for following the law at all.

Apparently any time they do anything horrifying, they will just declare that victim as a "terrorist" or something, and their sycophantic supporters will happily agree.

What I find amusing is that when the Snowden leaks happened and I would discuss it, when I said something like "let's pretend for a moment that we can't trust every single person in the government" I would usually get an agreeable laugh.

But using these same arguments with ICE + Palantir, these same people will say something like "ICE IS ONLY DEPORTING THE CRIMINALS YOU JUST WANT OPEN BORDERS!!!". People's hypocrisy knows no bounds.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by testing22321 »

The US Attorney General also just said they’ll withdraw ICE from Minnesota if they hand over voter registration files.

[1] https://www.newsweek.com/pam-bondi-ice-minnesota-shooting-ti...

They’re not even hiding the fact this has nothing to do with immigration and everything to do with compiling lists of people to target later.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by duxup »

simonw wrote: post #2

Any time I see people say "I don't see why I should care about my privacy, I've got nothing to hide" I think about how badly things can go if the wrong people end up in positions of power. The classic example here is what happens when someone is being stalked by an abusive ex-partner who works in law enforcement and has access to those databases. This ICE stuff is that scaled up to a multi-billion dollar federal agen…

The thing also is, it doesn't matter what the truth is. If the computer says you did a thing, the thugs (ICE) will do what they want.

Here is someone out for a walk, ICE demanding ID, that she answer questions. She says she's a US citizen ... they keep asking her questions and one of the ICE people seem to be using a phone to scan her face:

https://np.reddit.com/r/Minneapolis/comments/1qbawlr/minneap...

What she says, the truth, none of it would matter if his phone said to bring her in. And after the fact? The folks supporting ICE have made it clear they've no problem with lying in the face of the obvious.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by HellDunkel »

throw-qqqqq wrote: post #208
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Some retorts for people swayed by that argument Do any of these actually prompt someone to reconsider their position? They strike me as more of argument through being annoying than a good-faith attempt to connect with the other side.

I usually just quote Snowden instead: “Ultimately, arguing that you don't care about the right to privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don't care about free speech because you have nothing to say.”

Not as clever as it may sound. It is perfectly possible that someone has nothing to hide in a good way, whereas someone without anything to say for himself cannot be easily imagined as a good faith social individual. So in a way this is comparing apples to bad apples and claiming they are perfectly equal.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by loeg »

nemomarx wrote: post #13
loeg wrote: post #6

Why would Medicaid have the data of anyone who is at risk of immigration enforcement? The reported connection seems tenuous: > The tool – dubbed Enhanced Leads Identification & Targeting for Enforcement (ELITE) – receives peoples’ addresses from the Department of Health and Human Services (which includes Medicaid) and other sources, 404 Media reports based on court testimony in Oregon by law enforcement agents, among…

Do you actually think ICE cares about your legal citizenship status?

Yes. That's very relevant to their aims.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by RealityVoid »

I'm afraid of the day strongmen come into power in my country and start targeting people on their social media history. I'm sure to end on _some sort_ of naughty list. You kind of get how people become depoliticized and apathetic when resistance has no apparent effect and speaking up only gets you in trouble. That's how civic societies atrophy and die.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by LightBug1 »

rngfnby wrote: post #125
halfmatthalfcat wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US cannot afford, demographically, to curtail immigration, illegal or otherwise. Simple fact is the US needs more people because we’re under the replacement rate.

But why are we under the replacement rate? Seems relevant

Considering at least a third of potential replacement partners are Trump voters, can you imagine women feeling sexy about them? LOL
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