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Google confirms 'high-friction' sideloading flow is coming to Android

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I think what is missing here is the growing trend of scammers convincing people they are their bank (or whatever) and walking them through enabling side-loading and then installing malware (sometimes to address some urgent security issues with their account). This is meant to counter an actual issues that is affecting many many users.

> This is meant to counter an actual issues that is affecting many many users. No, that's an excuse. Google just wants a tighter grip on their software chain, which is understandable if they were Apple but they're not.

This is not simply an excuse. Android phones are prevalent in countries where smartphones offer the only realistic access to banking and cashless payments to the majority of the population. Scamming schemes targeting those users are also very frequent in many, if not most of these countries, and educating people about them is hard. Like it or not, this change is likely going to be a net positive for many people.

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Google's long term strategy with Android is baffling to me. Apple has had better mobile hardware for years. Apple has higher consumer trust. Apple has better app selection (for most people). Apple has been increasingly implementing the core features that differentiate Android devices, like USB-C and RCS. Every Android user lost to the increasing iOS market share is another customer Google has to pay exorbitant fees t…

I don't see any iOS advantage with the apps anymore. That was maybe true in the very beginning, during the gold rush time of the app store. But not since then. In which category are there better iOS apps? Browsers? No, strictly worse. Youtube app? No, worse. Texting? Worse or equal (Whatsapp). Podcast client? I assume worse, since there is no Antenna Pod. Social media apps? The iOS variants of those apps are afaik in…

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I'm with Google on this one. Idiots and old people (the public) use these devices daily. These are the very same people that send money to Nigerian royalty and expect to hear back about a great reward. This is mostly a CYA move with hard data behind it. If they completely removed side load, that would be a different story.

Yeah in fact I don't really see what's new in this article except that it hints that it will allow install of software from unverified developers via big scary warnings. Which seems like an improvement from what has been announced previously that only software from verified developers would be allowed.

I already have to configure apps to allow them to install apps on my Pixel... it's like "okay yeah I want to allow F-Droid and Obtainium to install apps" done. Maybe that's not the default or something? Who on earth wants popup ads in Chrome installing shit? And why would anyone want any random app to be able to install additional apps?

Re: Google confirms 'high-friction' sideloading flow is coming to Android

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post #368

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think what is missing here is the growing trend of scammers convincing people they are their bank (or whatever) and walking them through enabling side-loading and then installing malware (sometimes to address some urgent security issues with their account). This is meant to counter an actual issues that is affecting many many users.

If you can convince the user your are their bank, can convince them to install software and walk them through how to do it and enable side loading, you can also convince them to input their logging into any webpage.

Somehow that’s not working for them, it would be simpler

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iOS has fallen behind, I am struggling to use apps and even type on new liquid glass. My 2TB photo library is useless with the current photos app. I am trying out Pixel 10 on the side and I HIGHLY recommend it! Android does not suck anymore. I am in process of migrating stuff over slowly.

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I take the opportunity to let people know that there are alternatives to Google/Apple duopoly on mobile. Link: https://www.ubuntu-touch.io/ Sure, GrapheneOS is often suggested but Ubuntu Touch is a really interesting alternative, their own store and ecosystem. The community is amazing and welcoming. If there are Android apps which you can't do without, they can be emulated and used anyway. Imagine switching to Linux…

I was looking into buying one of those: https://www.www3.planetcom.co.uk/ No experience, but if they lock out Android I probably will.

The issue with buying phones like that, is they are just insanely expensive. Without shipping/tax, that phone is CAD$1500, whereas I can buy a refurbished Samsung S22 for CAD$350 (all in), that has roughly the same specs, but for 1/5 the price. I understand small companies can't use economies of scale like Samsung/Apple, but it's still really bad, and the majority of consumers wouldn't even take a second glance at it from the price.

Re: Google confirms 'high-friction' sideloading flow is coming to Android

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is meant to counter an actual issues that is affecting many many users. No, that's an excuse. Google just wants a tighter grip on their software chain, which is understandable if they were Apple but they're not.

This is not simply an excuse. Android phones are prevalent in countries where smartphones offer the only realistic access to banking and cashless payments to the majority of the population. Scamming schemes targeting those users are also very frequent in many, if not most of these countries, and educating people about them is hard. Like it or not, this change is likely going to be a net positive for many people.

And in at lest one case Google is getting direct pressure from the government to do something

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I realize a conspiracy narrative gets more clicks but … you know Apple started the development of USB-C and shipped some of the first devices in 2015, right? People whined about the MacBooks requiring new hubs, etc. for a couple of years and got over it. The same thing happened with the iPad in 2018, AirPods, etc. When they introduced Lightning in 2012, they made a commitment to all of the third-party hardware develo…

Why are you so motivated to rewrite history to defend a mega corporation?

I’m not: each thing I wrote is common knowledge—read the Wikipedia pages for the Lightning and USB-C pages if you don’t believe me—and it’s a little silly to spin this as something other than large companies not making massive supply chain changes quickly. I’m glad USB-C has won but you don’t change things deployed in the hundreds of millions in a year–I saw an original iPhone connector in the wild as recently as last year!

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And many things have been done, including Windows telling you in bold red letters that this software is dangerous if it wasn't signed by a trusted signer with lots of installs.

And why are those not sufficient for Android?

This is not a theoretical issue. It’s a major problem is several countries, the governments are getting involved.

Re: Google confirms 'high-friction' sideloading flow is coming to Android

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post #368

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think what is missing here is the growing trend of scammers convincing people they are their bank (or whatever) and walking them through enabling side-loading and then installing malware (sometimes to address some urgent security issues with their account). This is meant to counter an actual issues that is affecting many many users.

What do they use the app to do?

Steal banking credentials, I think
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