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ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #114
simonw wrote: post #2

Any time I see people say "I don't see why I should care about my privacy, I've got nothing to hide" I think about how badly things can go if the wrong people end up in positions of power. The classic example here is what happens when someone is being stalked by an abusive ex-partner who works in law enforcement and has access to those databases. This ICE stuff is that scaled up to a multi-billion dollar federal agen…

Are you against income tax? Are you against business registration? All of these are subject to the similar issues with the stalker ex abusing a position of power?

> All of these are subject to the similar issues with the stalker ex abusing a position of power?

You seem to be asking a question. The answer is no.

The IRS does not need to know my sexual orientation or circumcision status. Medicaid, on the other hand, may. (Though I'd contest even that.)

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by cogman10 »

rngfnby wrote: post #125
halfmatthalfcat wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US cannot afford, demographically, to curtail immigration, illegal or otherwise. Simple fact is the US needs more people because we’re under the replacement rate.

But why are we under the replacement rate? Seems relevant

Because of eroding worker rights and raise cost of living.

You need free time for kids and if the salaries are too low for a single income household a lot of people will end up opting out of having kids.

This isn't unique the the US. Basically every country with a whack work life balance is looking at population replacement problems.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by [deleted] »

watty wrote: post #115
therobots927 wrote: post #100

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Yep. They’re here to bury their head in the sand and keep up to date with the latest tech trends like the good little worker bees they are.

I don't think that's fair. I follow politics closely but prefer HN to stay technical. It shouldn't be offensive.

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Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by OrvalWintermute »

Undocumented immigrants/illegal immigrants are not generally eligible for federally funded Medicaid coverage in the United States, as federal law restricts such benefits to U.S. citizens and certain qualified immigrants with lawful status.

They are eligible for Emergency Medicaid, which covers emergency medical needs like labor and delivery or life-threatening conditions; hospitals that accept federal dollars for medicare/medicaid are required under federal law (EMTALA) to provide stabilizing emergency care regardless of immigration status or ability to pay.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by jprd »

andy99 wrote: post #73
taurath wrote: post #53

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It likely will. There’s major impact on literally everyone in tech, there’s huge data privacy concerns, and it has less coverage or discussion than a new version of jQuery. The US gov could fall but that would count as politics here so clearly irrelevant.

> less coverage or discussion than a new version of jQuery Pretty sure this is a feature not a bug. Most people aren’t here for political topics.

There is always going to be an intersection between tech and politics. This convo is no different than talking about Section 230, H1B visas or using vision models to sexualize people or distort the truth.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by pibaker »

andy99 wrote: post #73
taurath wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It likely will. There’s major impact on literally everyone in tech, there’s huge data privacy concerns, and it has less coverage or discussion than a new version of jQuery. The US gov could fall but that would count as politics here so clearly irrelevant.

> less coverage or discussion than a new version of jQuery Pretty sure this is a feature not a bug. Most people aren’t here for political topics.

In a corrupt and authoritarian country, it is common to have officials busted on "corruption" or "embezzlement" charges. And yet most people know they are actually not jailed for the crimes they got charged for, because there are more than enough people to fill all the prisons for breaking the exact same laws they are accused of breaking. They knew the only reason these people got jailed is because they lost some kind of power struggle within the administration, and corruption is just a convenient lie those who prevailed tell you to keep you comfortable.

You never see the "no politics please thk u" crowd when it is about protests in Iran, Chinese oppression in Hong Kong, Russian aggression on Europe or hell, when people were literally running a political campaign the EU to stop killing games. You only see people flagging political submissions when it is a particular kind of politics - just like you only see corrupt officials jailed when they are a certain kind of officials.

Connect the dots, make your own conclusions.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by soulofmischief »

whatshisface wrote: post #123
direwolf20 wrote: post #61

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The reaction from the masses: "But that isn't true today, anything could happen in the future, and why should I invest so much work on something that's only a possibility?"

People do not have justifications for most choices. We watch YouTube when we would benefit more from teaching ourselves skills. We eat too much of food we know is junk. We stay up too late and either let others walk over us at work to avoid overt conflict or start fights and make enemies to protect our own emotions. If you want to know why Americans are allowing themselves to be gradually reduced to slavery, do not a…

It's disingenuous to say Americans are "allowing" themselves to do anything in the face of countless, relentless, multi-billion corporate campaigns, designed by teams of educated individuals, to make them think and act in specific ways.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by [deleted] »

p1esk wrote: post #98
steve1977 wrote: post #50

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Also always keep in mind that what is legal today might be illegal tomorrow. This includes things like your ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation and much more. You don't know today on which side of legality you will be in 10 years, even if your intentions are harmless.

Privacy itself can become illegal just as easily as religion, etc. if we follow your argument.

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Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by gunsle »

asveikau wrote: post #116
billy99k wrote: post #23

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They sold us on a lie about the extent of the illegal immigrant "problem". It's numerically impossible to make the promises they made and not deport people who it's hard to argue should be deported. Immigrants also commit crimes at fewer rates than US born people and crime is at all time lows. Yet they sold us for years on a crime moral panic and phantom "migrant crime". So you said, propose a solution that also invo…

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Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by sneak »

blell wrote: post #127
direwolf20 wrote: post #83

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That's the question, isn't it? Why not just do that? Who are you trying to keep out of the country, and for what end, and is that end best attained by removing people from the country who aren't the ones you are trying to keep out? For instance, if you believe the border should be strict to keep out serial killers, what does that have to do with removing Korean car factory workers who aren't serial killers?

Because once they come in sufficient numbers they will turn your country into the country they fled from - and then you are in trouble.

Which river is it in Ireland that they dye green every year for St Patrick’s day like they do in Chicago?
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