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Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by hackyhacky »

gunsle wrote: post #109
gritspants wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't believe there is any sort of conservative intellectual movement at this point. The right believes they have captured certain institutions (law enforcement, military), in the same way they believe the left has captured others (education/universities, media), and will use them to wage war against whichever group the big finger pointing men in charge tell them to.

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Writing papers is not the same as being an intellectual.

The Heritage Foundation certainly publishes, but they don't have a coherent ideology.

Project 2025 is not an work of political philosophy, it's just a roadmap for seizing power at all costs.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by sosomoxie »

gruez wrote: post #119
sosomoxie wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, well I don't think we should deport people and I think immigrants improve the US, so I would be in the latter category. He's "waiting to hear of alternatives that don't involve deporting illegal immigrants", and I have one: don't deport anyone.

>Yes, well I don't think we should deport people and I think immigrants improve the US, so I would be in the latter category Which would put you in the minority (16%). https://www.pewresearch.org/race-and-ethnicity/2025/03/26/am... Even without getting into a debate of whether we should do immigration enforcement at all (a sibling reply goes into it in better detail), there's the practical effect that most people do,…

I think the Democrats are also culpable for supporting anti-immigrant policy and sentiment. I absolutely believe that I'm in the minority, as this country has a deep history in racial bias (in fact, it was founded on that).

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by nfinished »

p1esk wrote: post #98
steve1977 wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also always keep in mind that what is legal today might be illegal tomorrow. This includes things like your ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation and much more. You don't know today on which side of legality you will be in 10 years, even if your intentions are harmless.

Privacy itself can become illegal just as easily as religion, etc. if we follow your argument.

What point do you think you're making?

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by michaelmrose »

loeg wrote: post #6

Why would Medicaid have the data of anyone who is at risk of immigration enforcement? The reported connection seems tenuous: > The tool – dubbed Enhanced Leads Identification & Targeting for Enforcement (ELITE) – receives peoples’ addresses from the Department of Health and Human Services (which includes Medicaid) and other sources, 404 Media reports based on court testimony in Oregon by law enforcement agents, among…

They hold both that people whose citizenship depends on birthright citizenship are not in fact citizens and that naturalized citizens can be denaturalized either for disloyalty or based on some sham pretext. They also see people getting benefits as leaches worthy of targeting.

Also naturalized and birthright citizens are far more likely than others to associate or live with others of less legal status.

Naturalized and birthright citizens quality for benefits and they and their families are at risk.

If they are allowed to detain and deport without any due process as they have asserted anyone not white is at risk.

The DHS official social media presence shared a picture of an island paradise with the caption America after 100 million deportations.

This is the number of non-whites not the number of immigrants in even the most ridiculous estimates.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

godelski wrote: post #85
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anyone on the right who implicates Pretti for carrying a licensed firearm is a good litmus test for bad faith.

It's amazing how quickly the party of small government, states rights, and the 2nd amendment quickly turned against all their principles. It really shows how many people care more about party than principle.

> shows how many people care more about party than principle

"Trump’s net approval rating on immigration has declined by about 4 points since the day before Good’s death until today. Meanwhile, his overall approval rating has declined by 2 points and is near its second-term lows" [1].

I'd encourage anyone watching to actually pay attention to "how many people care more about party than principle." I suspect it's fewer than MAGA high command thinks.

[1] https://www.natesilver.net/p/trump-is-losing-normies-on-immi...

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by lillecarl »

alecco wrote: post #36
ck_one wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the moment for Europe to show that you can do gov and business differently. If they get their s** together and actually present a viable alternative.

They are doing it differently alright. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chat_control

You're saying a proposed bill which hasn't passed is comparative to recent events in the US or am I reading too much between the lines?

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

thangalin wrote: post #113
simonw wrote: post #2

Any time I see people say "I don't see why I should care about my privacy, I've got nothing to hide" I think about how badly things can go if the wrong people end up in positions of power. The classic example here is what happens when someone is being stalked by an abusive ex-partner who works in law enforcement and has access to those databases. This ICE stuff is that scaled up to a multi-billion dollar federal agen…

> I've got nothing to hide. Some retorts for people swayed by that argument: "Can we put a camera in your bathroom?" "Let's send your mom all your text messages." "Ain't nothin' in my pockets, but I'd rather you didn't check." "Shall we live-stream your next doctor's appointment?" "May I watch you enter your PIN at the ATM?" "How about you post your credit card number on reddit?" "Care to read your high-school diary…

> Some retorts for people swayed by that argument

Do any of these actually prompt someone to reconsider their position? They strike me as more of argument through being annoying than a good-faith attempt to connect with the other side.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by ben_w »

SkyPuncher wrote: post #110
simonw wrote: post #2

Any time I see people say "I don't see why I should care about my privacy, I've got nothing to hide" I think about how badly things can go if the wrong people end up in positions of power. The classic example here is what happens when someone is being stalked by an abusive ex-partner who works in law enforcement and has access to those databases. This ICE stuff is that scaled up to a multi-billion dollar federal agen…

For me, the angle is a bit different. I want privacy, but I also sense that the people who are really good at this (like Plantir) have so much proxy information available that individual steps to protect privacy are pretty much worthless. To me, this is a problem that can only be solved at the government/regulatory level.

In principle, I agree with your point; in practice, I think the claims made my these surveillance/advertising companies are likely as overstated as Musk's last decade of self-driving that still can't take a vehicle all the way across the USA without supervision in response to a phone summons.

The evidence I have that causes me to believe them to be overstated, is how even Facebook has frequently shown me ads that inherently make errors about my gender, nationality, the country I live in, and the languages I speak, and those are things they should've been able to figure out with my name, GeoIP, and the occasional message I write.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by Arch485 »

thangalin wrote: post #113
simonw wrote: post #2

Any time I see people say "I don't see why I should care about my privacy, I've got nothing to hide" I think about how badly things can go if the wrong people end up in positions of power. The classic example here is what happens when someone is being stalked by an abusive ex-partner who works in law enforcement and has access to those databases. This ICE stuff is that scaled up to a multi-billion dollar federal agen…

> I've got nothing to hide. Some retorts for people swayed by that argument: "Can we put a camera in your bathroom?" "Let's send your mom all your text messages." "Ain't nothin' in my pockets, but I'd rather you didn't check." "Shall we live-stream your next doctor's appointment?" "May I watch you enter your PIN at the ATM?" "How about you post your credit card number on reddit?" "Care to read your high-school diary…

I think the "nothing to hide" argument is made for a different reason.

People are unafraid of the government knowing certain things because they believe it will not have any real repercussions for them. The NSA knowing your search history is no big deal (as long as you're not looking for anything illegal), but your church knowing your search history would absolutely be a big deal.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by AtlasBarfed »

dashundchen wrote: post #21
loeg wrote: post #6

Why would Medicaid have the data of anyone who is at risk of immigration enforcement? The reported connection seems tenuous: > The tool – dubbed Enhanced Leads Identification & Targeting for Enforcement (ELITE) – receives peoples’ addresses from the Department of Health and Human Services (which includes Medicaid) and other sources, 404 Media reports based on court testimony in Oregon by law enforcement agents, among…

ICE has been harassing and following legal observers to their houses. They've shot and executed at least two people who were exercising their legal right to record their activity. The FBI has been showing up at the door of some people who dare to organize protests against ICE. Stingrays have been deployed to protests, ICE is collecting photos of protestors for their database, and has been querying YCombinator funded…

Excuse me discussing the fact that Jack booted fascist brown shirt thugs murdering people is a political statement and needs to be censored here
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