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Re: Deutsche Telekom is throttling the internet

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Post by Semaphor »

fc417fc802 wrote: post #50
madduci wrote: post #38

I own a FTTH connection to Telekom since 2018, as the only provider in my street, allowed to install an internet connection (only glass fiber). Since then, I have always used my own device and I maintain a GitHub Snippet in how to connect OpenWRT modem (and by extension, any other modem that supports pppoe), rather than their Huawei SpeedPort crap or the more expensive Fritz Box). Link to Gist : https://gist.github.c…

> providers install their own Glass Fiber modem It's the same in the US. The ISP fiber network falls inside their security boundary in my experience - you can't BYOD. They install a modem (these days often including an integrated router, switch, and AP) and you receive either ethernet or wifi from them. I think the only major change in that regard has been that coaxial cable providers here will often let you bring yo…

I don’t have fiber access, but at least for cable, my provider (formerly Kabel Deutschland, now Vodafone) allows me to put the modem/router into "modem only" mode, which then allows me to use my own router. Outside of Fritzbox (which is again a whole integrated thing; with questionable features) there aren’t many DOCSIS modems freely available, and the no-name china devices don’t seem much better than my Vodafone Box.

Re: Deutsche Telekom is throttling the internet

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Post by throwaway140126 »

shevy-java wrote: post #32
ccozan wrote: post #9

Telekom is well known for the crappy service - but they have a de facto monopoly. For example, when it rains, the line goes down where I live. Solution: I got my Starlink. 3x speed. No crappy service. Weather independent. And surprinsingly cheaper ( 40 euros vs 45 ) . [ as much as I do not like Musk & co, this is a real useful thing he build for the mankind - internet everywere from sattelite ]

> And surprinsingly cheaper ( 40 euros vs 45 ) . > [ as much as I do not like Musk & co, this is a real useful thing he build for the mankind - internet everywere from sattelite ] Right - but then you also depend on an US service here. And the USA changed policy where Europeans became enemies ("we won't give you arms to defend against Russian invaders! Greenland will be occupied by our military soon!"). It's a bad si…

Well, you have a point but on the other side since about 20 years the Telekom does not even think about improving the internet connection in the place I live. At some point you're just fed up. To me it seems like they just do not care about providing a good service and even if they would now provide a good service I would be more willing to give my money someone else.

Re: Deutsche Telekom is throttling the internet

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Post by Namidairo »

retired wrote: post #46
madduci wrote: post #38

I own a FTTH connection to Telekom since 2018, as the only provider in my street, allowed to install an internet connection (only glass fiber). Since then, I have always used my own device and I maintain a GitHub Snippet in how to connect OpenWRT modem (and by extension, any other modem that supports pppoe), rather than their Huawei SpeedPort crap or the more expensive Fritz Box). Link to Gist : https://gist.github.c…

Is it possible to use a media converter from glass fiber to RJ45/Ethernet? Those are commonly available and then you can use whatever modem/router you like.

If I recall, for something like GPON or XGS-PON, you end up having to clone the various attributes of the original for it to work properly. This typically includes serial number, hardware id, firmware identifiers, etc.

Re: Deutsche Telekom is throttling the internet

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Post by SvenL »

ekianjo wrote: post #18
anthonj wrote: post #5

Germany always surprise me with continuous contradiction in their society. Largest economy in eu but very unstable and riddled with wierd burocracy. Strongest worker protection, but very large amount of lobbysm. Most advanced railway system in eu, transformed into a joke by interdiction from said lobbies. You have to pay a "radio tax" to help funding press and keep it independent, but then fuck net neutrality. And I…

> Most advanced railway system in eu France is certainly better

Yes, as a German I can agree.

However, I remember the anecdote of how France has two different companies for the trains and trainstations. The first ordered trains which were a little bit to wide for the trainstations, due to a miss communication.

When I read about this, I thought „this could have been Germany too.“

Re: Deutsche Telekom is throttling the internet

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Post by fc417fc802 »

anthonj wrote: post #14
borlox wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you know similarly large, democratic societies without contradictions?

my impression is that other countries like Italy or France are much more consistent in what they are bad or good at. But it's possible it's just my personal bias.

I have the same (possibly mistaken) impression of Germany as an outsider. The US is also remarkably contradictory in its supposed values. I think it would be interesting if there were a semi-objective measure of this quality.

Re: Deutsche Telekom is throttling the internet

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Post by 6r17 »

dewey wrote: post #10
tannhaeuser wrote: post #8

Complaining about net neutrality in 2026 with yt videos. What a joke by pseudo-"hackers."

It's called being pragmatic, are you going to sponsor the bandwidth needed so it can be hosted on a sustainable indie server?

please. I don't understand how the fuck we still don't have p2p social networks and private sharing groups. The amount of possibilities to f* up any kind of control are massive - it's just that we end up writing some convoluted distributed mainframe when all people need is p2prss.

Re: Deutsche Telekom is throttling the internet

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Post by NekkoDroid »

Semaphor wrote: post #61
fc417fc802 wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> providers install their own Glass Fiber modem It's the same in the US. The ISP fiber network falls inside their security boundary in my experience - you can't BYOD. They install a modem (these days often including an integrated router, switch, and AP) and you receive either ethernet or wifi from them. I think the only major change in that regard has been that coaxial cable providers here will often let you bring yo…

I don’t have fiber access, but at least for cable, my provider (formerly Kabel Deutschland, now Vodafone) allows me to put the modem/router into "modem only" mode, which then allows me to use my own router. Outside of Fritzbox (which is again a whole integrated thing; with questionable features) there aren’t many DOCSIS modems freely available, and the no-name china devices don’t seem much better than my Vodafone Box…

> allows me to put the modem/router into "modem only" mode, which then allows me to use my own router.

Telekom Speedports also have a modem only mode (the ones for non-fiber, dunno about the ones for fiber, but it looked like those are only modems and not a router as well). I don't make use of it since I manage the wifi for my family, but I do know it exists.

Re: Deutsche Telekom is throttling the internet

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Post by retired »

nandomrumber wrote: post #58
retired wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it possible to use a media converter from glass fiber to RJ45/Ethernet? Those are commonly available and then you can use whatever modem/router you like.

You’d need to be able to replicate whatever configuration the ISP provided device has, and they won’t give you that. FTTH here in Australia is the same, you’re stuck using the network providers device, which just provides an Ethernet port, and a POTS port if you’re in to that sort of thing, with your LAN device connected behind it. There was fierce lobbying back in the day (shout out to Simon Hackett / Internode) for…

Thanks. I have an ISP provided media converter with my own router behind that, using the correct VLAN was enough to get it working. I thought those media converters were pretty dumb devices but it seems they are not.

Re: Deutsche Telekom is throttling the internet

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Post by tietjens »

chpatrick wrote: post #2

I know about this issue so it's great that something is being done about it, but the page really needs a text explainer instead of the just a video.

This is the best text explainer I have found: https://cyberlaw.stanford.edu/blog/2025/05/no-two-tier-inter...

Re: Deutsche Telekom is throttling the internet

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Post by hdgvhicv »

fc417fc802 wrote: post #50
madduci wrote: post #38

I own a FTTH connection to Telekom since 2018, as the only provider in my street, allowed to install an internet connection (only glass fiber). Since then, I have always used my own device and I maintain a GitHub Snippet in how to connect OpenWRT modem (and by extension, any other modem that supports pppoe), rather than their Huawei SpeedPort crap or the more expensive Fritz Box). Link to Gist : https://gist.github.c…

> providers install their own Glass Fiber modem It's the same in the US. The ISP fiber network falls inside their security boundary in my experience - you can't BYOD. They install a modem (these days often including an integrated router, switch, and AP) and you receive either ethernet or wifi from them. I think the only major change in that regard has been that coaxial cable providers here will often let you bring yo…

In the U.K. you get a PON which gives you a cat5 gig or mgig port, you then connect your router and pppoe to your ISP. Most ISPs offer a managed router but the ISPs I’ve chosen have always allowed the pppoe option.
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