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Re: Deutsche Telekom is throttling the internet

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Germany always surprise me with continuous contradiction in their society. Largest economy in eu but very unstable and riddled with wierd burocracy. Strongest worker protection, but very large amount of lobbysm. Most advanced railway system in eu, transformed into a joke by interdiction from said lobbies. You have to pay a "radio tax" to help funding press and keep it independent, but then fuck net neutrality. And I…

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Re: Deutsche Telekom is throttling the internet

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Telekom is well known for the crappy service - but they have a de facto monopoly. For example, when it rains, the line goes down where I live. Solution: I got my Starlink. 3x speed. No crappy service. Weather independent. And surprinsingly cheaper ( 40 euros vs 45 ) . [ as much as I do not like Musk & co, this is a real useful thing he build for the mankind - internet everywere from sattelite ]

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Re: Deutsche Telekom is throttling the internet

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

are all starlink connections routed through the US? don't they do local downlinks? at least for countries they have an agreement with or where the infrastructure is available?

What does it matter where they are routed through? You think your Starlink service in Germany is beyond the control of Musk or the US government?

I think Musk cares about revenue more than pissing off some random customer in Germany. As long as you don't stand out from the crowd, he'd rather have your $40. Use a VPN to be sure.

Re: Deutsche Telekom is throttling the internet

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Telekom is well known for the crappy service - but they have a de facto monopoly. For example, when it rains, the line goes down where I live. Solution: I got my Starlink. 3x speed. No crappy service. Weather independent. And surprinsingly cheaper ( 40 euros vs 45 ) . [ as much as I do not like Musk & co, this is a real useful thing he build for the mankind - internet everywere from sattelite ]

I'm glad Vodafone is available where I live. They're not better but at least they're an alternative. Also Telekom manages only to deliver 250mbit/s while Vodafone gets 1gbit/s. Last apartment I rented Telekom was the only option and that was one of the reasons why I decided to move. Starlink I would love to try but as there's building and trees blocking the horizon it's not an option here sadly.

Vodafone seems also terrible, but maybe better than DT?

Re: Deutsche Telekom is throttling the internet

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Telekom is well known for the crappy service - but they have a de facto monopoly. For example, when it rains, the line goes down where I live. Solution: I got my Starlink. 3x speed. No crappy service. Weather independent. And surprinsingly cheaper ( 40 euros vs 45 ) . [ as much as I do not like Musk & co, this is a real useful thing he build for the mankind - internet everywere from sattelite ]

> And surprinsingly cheaper ( 40 euros vs 45 ) . > [ as much as I do not like Musk & co, this is a real useful thing he build for the mankind - internet everywere from sattelite ] Right - but then you also depend on an US service here. And the USA changed policy where Europeans became enemies ("we won't give you arms to defend against Russian invaders! Greenland will be occupied by our military soon!"). It's a bad si…

The best solution here would probably be the EU launching its own internet constellation. China and the US both have them. How is this any different than the issues surrounding GPS?

Re: Deutsche Telekom is throttling the internet

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I own a FTTH connection to Telekom since 2018, as the only provider in my street, allowed to install an internet connection (only glass fiber). Since then, I have always used my own device and I maintain a GitHub Snippet in how to connect OpenWRT modem (and by extension, any other modem that supports pppoe), rather than their Huawei SpeedPort crap or the more expensive Fritz Box). Link to Gist : https://gist.github.c…

Is it possible to use a media converter from glass fiber to RJ45/Ethernet? Those are commonly available and then you can use whatever modem/router you like.

They most likely use GPON so the optic is going to see return traffic for your neighbors. So they make it hard (but not impossible) to bring your own optic or media converter.

Re: Deutsche Telekom is throttling the internet

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post #9

Telekom is well known for the crappy service - but they have a de facto monopoly. For example, when it rains, the line goes down where I live. Solution: I got my Starlink. 3x speed. No crappy service. Weather independent. And surprinsingly cheaper ( 40 euros vs 45 ) . [ as much as I do not like Musk & co, this is a real useful thing he build for the mankind - internet everywere from sattelite ]

I'm glad Vodafone is available where I live. They're not better but at least they're an alternative. Also Telekom manages only to deliver 250mbit/s while Vodafone gets 1gbit/s. Last apartment I rented Telekom was the only option and that was one of the reasons why I decided to move. Starlink I would love to try but as there's building and trees blocking the horizon it's not an option here sadly.

Not an alternative anymore. Vodafone started doing the same shit with their peering at the end of last year.

Re: Deutsche Telekom is throttling the internet

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I own a FTTH connection to Telekom since 2018, as the only provider in my street, allowed to install an internet connection (only glass fiber). Since then, I have always used my own device and I maintain a GitHub Snippet in how to connect OpenWRT modem (and by extension, any other modem that supports pppoe), rather than their Huawei SpeedPort crap or the more expensive Fritz Box). Link to Gist : https://gist.github.c…

Is it possible to use a media converter from glass fiber to RJ45/Ethernet? Those are commonly available and then you can use whatever modem/router you like.

You’d need to be able to replicate whatever configuration the ISP provided device has, and they won’t give you that.

FTTH here in Australia is the same, you’re stuck using the network providers device, which just provides an Ethernet port, and a POTS port if you’re in to that sort of thing, with your LAN device connected behind it.

There was fierce lobbying back in the day (shout out to Simon Hackett / Internode) for our national broadband network to be simple dark fibre and that ISPs could build on top of that to provide innovation and differentiation.

Instead what we got was a bunch of ISPs that resell the National Broadband Network’s expensive wholesale plans with little in the way of either differentiation or innovation.

Edit to add: what the sibling comments said too.

Re: Deutsche Telekom is throttling the internet

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Germany always surprise me with continuous contradiction in their society. Largest economy in eu but very unstable and riddled with wierd burocracy. Strongest worker protection, but very large amount of lobbysm. Most advanced railway system in eu, transformed into a joke by interdiction from said lobbies. You have to pay a "radio tax" to help funding press and keep it independent, but then fuck net neutrality. And I…

Some of these contradictions are fractal - i.e. contradictions all the way down :) For example the independent Radio and TV isn't that independent actually but in practice is. Partially this is because of the insecurities of the times these institutions were setup in making people in power unsure about true independence - so they wanted a control mechanism. The end result is an institution that is deeply coupled into the government but that has at the same time to pretend to be independent to such a degree most people inside it just act that way and its output is sorta neutral except in very slight tonal shift ways and in some individual cases. instances that are very German-culturally local? This is very hard to explain correctly but easy to just explain it wrongly - Let me do that now and translate it to American.

Imagine an institution being dependent and biased in exactly the opposite way that fox news is independent and balanced. Imagine a government-independent institution where you join a controlling organ and after sworn in you are invited to 2 after-meetings at the same time. One invitation comes in a red letter the other in a blue letter. Yet everybody has to be independent because that is what it is supposed to be. Germans can be very very stubborn about that.

this is sorta incomplete and wrong but I think gets you the taste for the setup? If not complain in the replies :)

Re: Deutsche Telekom is throttling the internet

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Germany always surprise me with continuous contradiction in their society. Largest economy in eu but very unstable and riddled with wierd burocracy. Strongest worker protection, but very large amount of lobbysm. Most advanced railway system in eu, transformed into a joke by interdiction from said lobbies. You have to pay a "radio tax" to help funding press and keep it independent, but then fuck net neutrality. And I…

> Most advanced railway system in eu France is certainly better

I believe Germany's is much more interconnected while France's mostly goes from Paris to other places. Mesh versus star topology.
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