Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

> what legal powers does the city/state have to expel ICE agents?

What makes you believe ICE is going to follow a judge's orders? They are already routinely violating it when it comes to deporting people.

Or, if you want to be even more pessimistic: what makes you believe the current Supreme Court is going to rule based on law, instead of based on political affiliation?

The USA's balance of power is horribly broken. To give just one simple example related to the previous: having the Supreme Court be nominated by the President and confirmed by a simple majority in the Senate? That's just asking for trouble. It'd be far better to have judges nominated by a politically-independent organisation (like the currently-sitting judges, or a national bar association) and confirmed by a two-thirds majority in the House/Senate (preventing anyone controversial, so you get boring, professional, and by-the-book judges - like they are supposed to be).

> America has checks and balances, and they have failed.

America pretended to have checks and balances. Everyone just turned a blind eye to the massive holes in them and pretended things were going to be fiiiiine.

It's the playbook already seen in Argentina, the Middle East and many other countries. But especially Argentina.

The military always has in the back of their mind the idea that they are above people, and this goes from the most deviant and incompetent soldier who still has a 6pack and fighting abilities and thinks all the guys in his small town are wussies all the way up to the highest ranked general who begrudgingly has to meet Senators and Representatives but still think they are nothing but wussies.

A common thread is that they think that society doesn't reward them with enough power for their valuable skills and instead it gives such power to undeserving people and their undeserving skills, for example a mayor who is able to cry on command to empathize with the population when some tragedy happens or the same mayor who got elected by being able to identify people's worries and lie that they'll fix them just to get power.

And if even the smallest doubt begins to enter the mind of the population , the doubt that yes maybe it could be better if the military ran things, the cold execution, the lack of emotion would bring us efficiency....it's already over.... the military dictatorship in effect already in place as there is no way to stop it after the seed of the doubt begins to emerge in the collective minds of the population.

If a malignant actor can convince the military that he can deliver the status in society that they really deserve they'll be willing to kill for that man. And if that malignant actor can also plant a small seed in the collective minds of the population....well get ready to kneel before your new dictator America

Yes, you appear to see the point I am making.

I have a strong emotional investment in what’s happening to my country. That’s why I’m getting upset. It has fuck all to do with HN. I’m getting upset about what’s happening with my country and predictably taking it out on other HN commenters, and other HN commenters are upset about what’s happening and are clearly taking it out on me. (I basically painted a big target on my forehead saying “I flagged this post” and people are talking to me as if I’m one of the ICE supporters or something.)

I’m not against politics on HN. I’m against anger-driven discussions on the internet in general. It’s not only bad discussion by this site’s standards, it’s bad for the world. As in, the internet causes us to hate each other more than we otherwise would, and those divisions are (I believe) directly responsible for the shape of the political landscape today. This is not a game… people talk online, they develop hatred for other people they wouldn’t otherwise have, and take that hatred to the voting booth.

And I don’t count myself as better than average here either: I’m just as likely to post flippant one-line hot take responses to someone else’s flippant one-line hot take responses. I’m just as angry as all of you. I’m not trying to ignore anything, I’m not trying to silence anyone. I’m only saying that arguing angrily at strangers on the internet is the opposite of constructive towards actually fixing any real problems, and we would be better off with “normal” journalism where we hear the news from experts and discuss it with people we generally trust.