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Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by zahlman »

jakelazaroff wrote: post #261
zahlman wrote: post #252

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Direct multiple-paragraph quote: > The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) posted on X further details about what led up to the shooting. "DHS law enforcement officers were conducting a targeted operation in Minneapolis against an illegal alien wanted for violent assault, an individual approached US Border Patrol officers with a 9 mm semi-automatic handgun, seen here," the post reads. > O'Hara said that Pretti was…

Sure, the article is not the clearest, but the "violently resisted" quote is taken verbatim from the DHS tweet. Just visit the link I posted, this will take you two seconds to verify.

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Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by piva00 »

zahlman wrote: post #252
jakelazaroff wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Another source ( https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/man-tackled-by-ice-in-chao... ) gives another claim from the same police chief: >> "The officers attempted to disarm the suspect but the armed suspect violently resisted. More details on the armed struggle are forthcoming." You've misread your link. The "violently resisted" quote is from a tweet by DHS, not local police: https://xcancel.com/DHSgov/status/2015115351…

Direct multiple-paragraph quote: > The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) posted on X further details about what led up to the shooting. "DHS law enforcement officers were conducting a targeted operation in Minneapolis against an illegal alien wanted for violent assault, an individual approached US Border Patrol officers with a 9 mm semi-automatic handgun, seen here," the post reads. > O'Hara said that Pretti was…

You have at least two videos to watch and see if it was a situation requiring an execution.

No need to read press releases, your own eyes and ears.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by foogazi »

password54321 wrote: post #5

Why is the focus on Minneapolis? Is it really the training ground for ICE? Edit: "Minnesota has the largest Somali population in the US, according to NBC. The community has been subject to widespread criticism from Mr Trump, who has called them "garbage"."

Governor was VP candidate

Just brings the shit to his people

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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rolph wrote: post #240
duxup wrote: post #109

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ICE has regularly attacked protesters and bystanders who are simply recording, walking away and so on. Even people just driving through their neighborhood have been dragged out of their vehicles and apprehended. Citizen or otherwise doesn’t seem to matter. They aren’t professionals and operate with neither the training, nor the will to obey the law. Much of the time they seem to believe trying to bait folks into an e…

>>The schools now have lockdown protocols for ICE if the day ever came for ICE to breach a locked down school, and extract minors, that could be a tipping point.

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Post by ninkendo »

krapp wrote: post #256
93po wrote: post #246

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there are a lot of places to be angry on the internet. in fact, basically every single website other than HN is a place to be angry. HN is deliberately not that, or at least it aims to not be that.

But people on HN are angry in non-political threads all the time, to the point that there are several items in the guidelines about it (the latest being "don't be curmudgeonly".) And not everyone in every political thread is simply expressing anger. The majority of comments in this very thread are reasonable. The ones that aren't have been flagged, which is proper. But flagging all political threads for "anger," rega…

If HN were only anger, then HN would suck in general, yes. The quality of discussion on this site generally coincides with how much people are able to separate their emotion from the facts at hand. For threads like these that basically drops to zero.

I haven’t really been able to find any comments here that are all that reasonable, other than the meta-discussion we’re having now (and trust me, I hate meta-discussion like this. Honestly I’m regretting even bringing any of this up at this point. I should have just flagged and moved on, and had a discussion with IRL friends or family about it instead. Or talked to a therapist, I dunno.)

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by RickJWagner »

dragontamer wrote: post #63

Sounds like ICE's official word right now is that the guy had a gun. But the video clearly indicates that they all tackled him to the ground and were wrestling him maybe 4 vs 1, before they all shot him together. I'm not quite sure how a gun can have come out of this. Maybe the guy while struggling on the ground happened to reach in the direction of someone's gun while getting curbstomped, I dunno. What I'm most worr…

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Post by eudamoniac »

malfist wrote: post #224
eudamoniac wrote: post #54

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How does the victim you supposedly saw pull out a gun, do that when he's pinned to the ground with a agent bashing his head repeatedly with an implement?

When you're in a high stress physical altercation with obscured vision, and you see a gun in your opponent's pants, and then a hand on that gun, and then the gun being pulled out of the pants by that hand, all happening quickly in succession, you may believe in that split second that you are in a mortal situation. These are not well trained soldiers here.

I'm not defending them, just guessing at the explanation. I'm operating from the assumption that the ICE agent did not randomly with absolutely no cause decide to execute a guy; probably something made him believe in that moment that he should shoot. You can see from the other, closer video that he very suddenly draws his weapon, as if in reaction to something.

Edit: someone else ITT theorized that the disarming agent ND'd which caused another agent to shoot in reaction. That's also pretty plausible.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by dragontamer »

rolph wrote: post #240
duxup wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ICE has regularly attacked protesters and bystanders who are simply recording, walking away and so on. Even people just driving through their neighborhood have been dragged out of their vehicles and apprehended. Citizen or otherwise doesn’t seem to matter. They aren’t professionals and operate with neither the training, nor the will to obey the law. Much of the time they seem to believe trying to bait folks into an e…

>>The schools now have lockdown protocols for ICE if the day ever came for ICE to breach a locked down school, and extract minors, that could be a tipping point.

They've already breached churches and hospitals to extract people. And they've already arrested 5-year-old minors. Its only a matter of time before they move to schools.
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