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Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by belter »

dragontamer wrote: post #63

Sounds like ICE's official word right now is that the guy had a gun. But the video clearly indicates that they all tackled him to the ground and were wrestling him maybe 4 vs 1, before they all shot him together. I'm not quite sure how a gun can have come out of this. Maybe the guy while struggling on the ground happened to reach in the direction of someone's gun while getting curbstomped, I dunno. What I'm most worr…

>> Sounds like ICE's official word right now is that the guy had a gun.

Look at the gray agent taking the victim weapon, that had just been pepper sprayed. He was disarmed before being killed.

"Footage of the grey coat officer retrieving the gun" - https://www.reddit.com/r/law/comments/1qlvpbr/footage_of_the...

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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nialv7 wrote: post #320
dang wrote: post #257

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People have been making a version of this argument for as long as I've been doing this job. There is always a feeling of this-time-is-different, how-can-you-not urgency. I'm not saying that's wrong, but there's a counterargument. The counterargument is that political flames have a way of consuming everything they touch and that if we had listened to this argument in the past, HN would have ceased to exist years ago.…

but fighting against a tyrannical, oppressive, illegitimate government is exactly what a hacker would do? if you want an apolitical forum, don't call it hacker news, it's false advertisement. maybe call it ostrich news or something.

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Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by eudamoniac »

fzeroracer wrote: post #365
eudamoniac wrote: post #332

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The strongest interpretation of your posts is that you know exactly what you're doing, because you've done it multiple [1] times [2] now [3]. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46559763 [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46536148 [3] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46515813

Please see my bio. I support ICE in principal, though not in current practice. This isn't a secret or shameful to me. If we can't have a dialogue about how to deport illegal immigrants safely, and how to get from here to a working deportation system, and the only two options are to abolish ICE or the current situation, I fear abolishing ICE is not going to be what happens. That isn't really what anyone wants. The first step to fixing what's going wrong is to understand the failure mode. The failure mode is not in most cases "they executed him because they are evil murderers".

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by ajross »

zahlman wrote: post #225
starkparker wrote: post #115

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> At a news conference, Minneapolis Police Chief Brian O’Hara said the man who was shot was a 37-year-old white man with no serious criminal history and a record that showed some parking tickets. Law enforcement sources said Saturday their records show Pretti had no serious criminal history. > O'Hara said the man was a “lawful gun owner” with a permit. Records show that Pretti attended the University of Minnesota. St…

> So a U.S. citizen who is a legal, permitted gun owner with no outstanding criminal charges, legally carrying in public, who complies with the law and informs a DHS officer that they are legally carrying, is effectively subject to summary execution without due process.... a federal officer shooting and killing a legal gun owner solely for possessing a gun in their presence. This completely misrepresents what happene…

I suspect it won't matter to you, but there's clear footage now of officers having removed the gun from the suspect long before he was shot. He was pinned and prone when he was executed. Claiming this was "defensive" is just a lie.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by filoeleven »

zahlman wrote: post #225
starkparker wrote: post #115

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> At a news conference, Minneapolis Police Chief Brian O’Hara said the man who was shot was a 37-year-old white man with no serious criminal history and a record that showed some parking tickets. Law enforcement sources said Saturday their records show Pretti had no serious criminal history. > O'Hara said the man was a “lawful gun owner” with a permit. Records show that Pretti attended the University of Minnesota. St…

> So a U.S. citizen who is a legal, permitted gun owner with no outstanding criminal charges, legally carrying in public, who complies with the law and informs a DHS officer that they are legally carrying, is effectively subject to summary execution without due process.... a federal officer shooting and killing a legal gun owner solely for possessing a gun in their presence. This completely misrepresents what happene…

> "Summary execution" and "without due process" is emotionally manipulative phrasing.

It's exactly what this was, though. He was disarmed before being shoved to the ground and beaten with a gas grenade. There is another video which shows that his hands are on the ground or in front of his face, the entire time he's down, long before he's shot.

Watch the fucking videos.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by ajross »

zahlman wrote: post #265
fzeroracer wrote: post #260

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> Frankly if you don't change your opinion after this, then I'm going to either assume you're a federal agent attempting to maintain the propaganda line or so absolutely psychotic that you belong well and away from proper society. I am not watching your videos just because you said this. I approached the situation with a respectful disagreeing opinion and the information available to me. Everyone else here is being u…

> I am not watching your videos

Oooph. Just watch it.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by bradgranath »

zahlman wrote: post #262
tastyface wrote: post #239

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"It is not about punishment." I’m not sure how you can possibly make that assertion. They disarmed him and then they shot him.

> They disarmed him and then they shot him. So you're saying you can show me a video where it's clear that the gun is in an LEO's physical possession, everyone involved clearly has time to update on this information, and someone makes an evidently conscious decision to shoot him anyway, despite him clearly no longer posing a physical threat? Really? Because otherwise, it is not about punishment.

Really. That is exactly what happened.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by comfysocks »

dragontamer wrote: post #92
cocomath wrote: post #84

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Someone captured the beginning of the shooting victim’s interaction with ICE. It certainly doesn’t look as though the person is aggressive or brandishing a weapon. The DHS public statement that the victim was going to “do maximize damage and massacre law enforcement” is outrageous… https://x.com/David_J_Bier/status/2015125221938770324

Pam Bondi's Department of Justice will be worse. They're the ones who are in charge of investigating this. I expect the FBI under her to support ICE and defend them with all their might. The checks and balances at the federal level are all captured. Support Minnesota in this troubling time.

No one will be held to account as long as Trump or his collaborators are in power.

If anyone views the current situation as a problem, there is no viable solution that doesn’t involve removing MAGA from power.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by arathis »

zahlman wrote: post #262
tastyface wrote: post #239

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"It is not about punishment." I’m not sure how you can possibly make that assertion. They disarmed him and then they shot him.

> They disarmed him and then they shot him. So you're saying you can show me a video where it's clear that the gun is in an LEO's physical possession, everyone involved clearly has time to update on this information, and someone makes an evidently conscious decision to shoot him anyway, despite him clearly no longer posing a physical threat? Really? Because otherwise, it is not about punishment.

It’s murder. They murdered him mate.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by thrance »

dragontamer wrote: post #300
B1FIDO wrote: post #295

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If someone is going in to a situation where they know there are armed riot police, armed federal agents, armed and agitated protestors, and several people have already been unalived, I would call them nothing but "suicidal" to carry their own weapon into that situation. Suicidal. Even when concealed and unused. Suicidal. Of course they would be suicidal to go into that situation unarmed, as well. But carrying a weapo…

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Yup. The right is actually pro-murder. And now, with each passing day comes a new reminder.
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