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Re: Bye Bye Gmail

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Post by latchkey »

noitpmeder wrote: post #74
latchkey wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OPs issue was more clearly directed at "A week or two ago I was surprised to see a Google Gemini summary at the top of my email on my phone", which Mimestream doesn't include. The rest of the complaint was about a bug that happened, just today, with sorting and spam control.

OP meaning the author of the linked article? Maybe I missed the mark but I felt his main rejection of Gmail ended up being because they train their AI based on his private and or commercial data.

OP = original poster

"I tried to turn it off. I can."

The complaint was about the summary, which Mimestream doesn't include.

Re: Bye Bye Gmail

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Post by latchkey »

aesh2Xa1 wrote: post #58
otterley wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Only on HN will someone who makes money writing software complain that other fellow developers are asking for money from him for their software.

No, you probably haven't read the conversation piece. The post is ultimately about switching providers because Google's service crosses a line from (1) targeted advertising to (2) using personal and confidential information for model training. A service to clean up the UI does nothing to solve the issue at hand.

"I tried to turn it off. I can."

The complaint was about the summary, which Mimestream doesn't include.

Re: Bye Bye Gmail

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Post by latchkey »

nelsonfigueroa wrote: post #54
otterley wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Only on HN will someone who makes money writing software complain that other fellow developers are asking for money from him for their software.

That is not what my comment is about.

You might want to edit your comment to explain because that was my own takeaway as well.

Re: Bye Bye Gmail

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Post by aesh2Xa1 »

latchkey wrote: post #82
aesh2Xa1 wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, you probably haven't read the conversation piece. The post is ultimately about switching providers because Google's service crosses a line from (1) targeted advertising to (2) using personal and confidential information for model training. A service to clean up the UI does nothing to solve the issue at hand.

"I tried to turn it off. I can." The complaint was about the summary, which Mimestream doesn't include.

The dealbreaker was data usage for AI training, not UI:

"We are going to use your email to train our LLMs. I'm not okay with that... my confidential commercial information is NOT okay to use to train your models [...] So... goodbye Gmail."

The title is Bye Bye Gmail.

Re: Bye Bye Gmail

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Post by alphax314 »

ryandrake wrote: post #48
rationalist wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am no expert, but from what I've read... Easy: I don't think so. Advisable: Hell no. I believe you have to constantly maintain it, and good luck with deliverability. Anyone: correct me if I'm wrong.

I’ve been self hosting E-mail (send and receive) with SSL and IMAP, for my family and a few hobby clubs on a $5 Linode VPS for at least a decade, probably more. Very few problems over that time period. Basic exim4/dovecot setup. Occasionally some crappy ISP’s spam filter gets too aggressive but I follow their unblocking procedure and am fine from there. I do keep my old empty gmail account around in case that changes…

I used to do the same for many years woth dovecot as well. Its not too difficult plus now with the llms it can probably be easier to maintain the configuration fires (I havent tried).

However I did have issues with the VPS provider I was using getting blocked and not just my VPS’ IP but the entire block. So at some point it became tok tedious to have to follow the unblock process.

And so I switched to fastmail and have been using it for over two years. No major complaints.

Would I self-host again? If I have the free time I think its fun and you can learn a lot. However, if you have young kids and are too busy with life I would say go with a provider you trust with your data.

Re: Bye Bye Gmail

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Post by stonogo »

whyagaindavid wrote: post #50

https://mako.cc/copyrighteous/google-has-most-of-my-email-be... Sure. Google Has Most of My Email Because It Has All of Yours

    I’m not sure what to do except encourage others to consider, in the wake of the Snowden revelations and everything else, whether you really want Google to have all your email. And half of mine.
Looks like this article and the one you're replying to are in agreement.

Re: Bye Bye Gmail

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Post by NoboruWataya »

My tips from moving away from Gmail:

- Mailbox.org is what I use and it's pretty good. I often see Fastmail recommended too.

- Use a standalone email client that allows you to connect to multiple email servers. This makes it easy to continue to monitor your old email account while you use the new one. I use Thunderbird on desktop and FairEmail on Android (though Thunderbird also has an app for Android).

- Transfer all of your most important accounts over initially. As long as you continue to have access to your old account, you don't need to transfer absolutely everything all at once, you can do it over time.

- Use a custom domain name so if you decide to change providers again in future you just need to update your DNS records rather than changing your email address in all your accounts.

- You may also want to set up a catch-all email address or use a service like https://addy.io/ to generate email aliases on the fly, and create a new alias for each service you use (for example, your email for GitHub could be github.com@mydomain.com). This helps protect your actual personal email address from spam.

Re: Bye Bye Gmail

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Post by latchkey »

aesh2Xa1 wrote: post #84
latchkey wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I tried to turn it off. I can." The complaint was about the summary, which Mimestream doesn't include.

The dealbreaker was data usage for AI training, not UI: "We are going to use your email to train our LLMs. I'm not okay with that... my confidential commercial information is NOT okay to use to train your models [...] So... goodbye Gmail." The title is Bye Bye Gmail.

They admit they can turn that off.

Re: Bye Bye Gmail

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Post by em-bee »

nine_k wrote: post #19

OK, while I briefly have a bit of your attention: what would you advise to use instead? What I need: * Server-side filters. * Tags. No, not folders. Many of my emails have 2-3 tags, some have 4-5. I wonder if it can even map to IMAP4; I see a few ways to model it. * Good deliverability. * Reasonable spam protection. * Not hugely expensive. Ideally near-free, or self-hosted. What are some options?

is there any FOSS based webmail and/or IMAP that supports tagging instead of folders?

i use supmua (which inspired notmuch) which like gmail uses tags instead of folders. i could not go back to a folder based system. but i am really missing a webmail interface that works with tags.

Re: Bye Bye Gmail

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Post by nosioptar »

redfloatplane wrote: post #60

Since we're all posting about our favourite email provider, Purelymail has been one of my best discoveries of the last year or so. Ten dollars a year (though it's expected that price will go up) for as many mailboxes as you like. There's a webmail too in case you don't want your own IMAP client. I migrated every email I had (except an unmigrateable @gmail.com) to Purelymail over Christmas and I couldn't be happier.

I've had purelymail for several years. I've only had to contact support once. They responded within an hour and fixed the problem as well.

I've helped nontechnical people move to purelymail as well, they all love it.

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