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Bye Bye Gmail

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Re: Bye Bye Gmail

#41

I have more than 20 years of email in my gmail account. How do I even start migrating? And even if I migrate, I will need to keep my address alive and forwarding to my new address at least for a few years. So no privacy gains there either. Does anyone have concrete advice as to how to make the transition?

Do you really need for the old emails to be "in an account" to make sense of them? Google lets you just download an archive that can be loaded in a local mail reader.

Re: Bye Bye Gmail

#42

I have more than 20 years of email in my gmail account. How do I even start migrating? And even if I migrate, I will need to keep my address alive and forwarding to my new address at least for a few years. So no privacy gains there either. Does anyone have concrete advice as to how to make the transition?

Fastmail provides an easy way to migrate [0]. I setup a label in my Fastmail account that will tag all mail coming in from Gmail. Then you go through that list at your leisure and make the requisite contact with the people or services emailing at the old address. It's really not difficult at all. I've been on Fastmail for ~4 years now, and haven't once considered looking back or regretted it. Good luck. [0] https://w…

Exactly this! After ~3 years I rarely receive an email with the Gmail tag now that all contacts/services have been switched over (or unsubscribed). Fastmail is easily my most valued paid service, and yet I never have to think about it. Just works very well.

Re: Bye Bye Gmail

#44
post #13

Is it easy and advisable to host your own email server on vps?

I am no expert, but from what I've read... Easy: I don't think so. Advisable: Hell no. I believe you have to constantly maintain it, and good luck with deliverability. Anyone: correct me if I'm wrong.

> Anyone: correct me if I'm wrong.

OK: it's easy, unless you're the "atechnical" sort.

Is it recommended? I'm torn here, because the big beasts are systematically spam/junk-classifying and even rejecting e-mail sent from independent MXes despite ticking the right checkboxes (FQrDNS, SPF, DKIM, DMARC) and having a clean IP-address in a tidy network.

Re: Bye Bye Gmail

#45
post #9

"My email is now being hosted by Microsoft..." Out of the pan, into the fire. my recommendation: i've been happily using fastmail for years.

Have you considered using AWS WorkMail? Very easy to set up, even helps you with MX/DKIM/DMARC/SPF if you use Route53, and only $4/month/user I believe. Granted, you won't get anywhere near Google's level of automatic credibility, but even that is relatively low for young gmail accounts.

> $4/month/user

My VPS host lets me use hundreds of emails for like $7/month besides the actual hosting. Of course, Microsoft charges even more for a single...

Re: Bye Bye Gmail

#46
post #19

OK, while I briefly have a bit of your attention: what would you advise to use instead? What I need: * Server-side filters. * Tags. No, not folders. Many of my emails have 2-3 tags, some have 4-5. I wonder if it can even map to IMAP4; I see a few ways to model it. * Good deliverability. * Reasonable spam protection. * Not hugely expensive. Ideally near-free, or self-hosted. What are some options?

I've been spamming enough about Fastmail (just a happy user), it ticks all your boxes except near-free/self-hosted.

Re: tags, you can switch between classic folders or Gmail-style labels.

Re: filtering, it has an easy-to-use UI but you can write your own custom Sieve filtering rules if you want.

Re: Bye Bye Gmail

#47
post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe it’s just me, but I have serious issue with Fastmail’s spam filtering. Meaning, it seems that I am the spam filter. I find myself considering closing the account on a regular basis because of it. I am also extremely frustrated with Gmail’s AI features now being apparently impossible to disable.

> Fastmail’s spam filtering I had issues with it early on, and after some back and forth with support they explained to me what is going on: it takes about 200 spam emails before your personalized filter kicks in, before that you might see something slip through. Also, the spam filter updates after you delete emails from your spam folder. Just remember to empty your spam folder, and add some custom rules until you re…

This has been my number one request for fastmail for years. They're happy with GDPR compliance but no intentions of having EU servers.

Re: Bye Bye Gmail

#48
post #13

Is it easy and advisable to host your own email server on vps?

I am no expert, but from what I've read... Easy: I don't think so. Advisable: Hell no. I believe you have to constantly maintain it, and good luck with deliverability. Anyone: correct me if I'm wrong.

I’ve been self hosting E-mail (send and receive) with SSL and IMAP, for my family and a few hobby clubs on a $5 Linode VPS for at least a decade, probably more. Very few problems over that time period. Basic exim4/dovecot setup. Occasionally some crappy ISP’s spam filter gets too aggressive but I follow their unblocking procedure and am fine from there. I do keep my old empty gmail account around in case that changes but I don’t use it much.

The fear around self hosting seems overblown. LetsEncrypt falls over more often than my E-mail.

Re: Bye Bye Gmail

#49

I have more than 20 years of email in my gmail account. How do I even start migrating? And even if I migrate, I will need to keep my address alive and forwarding to my new address at least for a few years. So no privacy gains there either. Does anyone have concrete advice as to how to make the transition?

My gmail address was also almost exactly 20 years old when I migrated two years ago. Here's how I did it:

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1. Register your domain (if you're doing that) and get fastmail set up -- I remember feeling a physical discomfort clicking "register" on fastmail, it felt like such an insanely impossible thing to do.

2. Set up the IMAP link so that anything sent to your gmail gets delivered to fastmail. Doing so also allows you to send email from your gmail address (with valid spf/dkim) if you want to.

3. Import all your old mail using fastmail's import tool, which Just Works.

4. Set up a vacation autoresponder in gmail that responds only to people in your contacts with a note telling them your new address.

5. Set up a label and filter in fastmail for anything that was addressed to your gmail, so you can easily see what is still sending you email on your old address to assist with migrating services.

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It worked a charm. I was completely convinced of it within a week, long before the 30 day free trial ran out. I have been an immensely happy customer since then. Could not imagine going back.

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