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Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by grumio »

B1FIDO wrote: post #357
grumio wrote: post #345

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You're welcome. Happy to see evidence and call it like it is. I trust my eyes over billionare-funded Fox News and authority figures, which is your perspective I could get anywhere.

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Welcome to the free marketplace of ideas, dude. Talk about the issue I'm talking about instead of ranting on some vague generalization about how "believing your own eyes" is bad sometimes, thus is always bad???

If someone were talking disprovable nonsense about fairies, it would be totally fair to bring up counter-evidence. This comment of yours is substanceless.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by ajross »

B1FIDO wrote: post #299
_DeadFred_ wrote: post #297

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ICE are not police officers, or even traditional law enforcement officers.

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Seems like the "I" and "C" might be more relevant? For hundreds of years of civil jurisprudence, enforcing immigration and customs has not involved shooting non-smuggling citizens in the back. Or face.

We all know what's happening here. And sincere application of relevant visa and trade laws is not it.

ICE are brown shirts. Their job is to terrorize the Designated Enemies of the State.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by belorn »

slg wrote: post #289
dang wrote: post #257

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People have been making a version of this argument for as long as I've been doing this job. There is always a feeling of this-time-is-different, how-can-you-not urgency. I'm not saying that's wrong, but there's a counterargument. The counterargument is that political flames have a way of consuming everything they touch and that if we had listened to this argument in the past, HN would have ceased to exist years ago.…

You seem to be a little sidetracked from my original point so let me reiterate it, "It's coming for everything and you'll have to draw the line somewhere." I understand you can dismiss that with "There is always a feeling of this-time-is-different", but what happens when it's truly different? Have you set a line for yourself of when it will be different or are you the frog telling everyone else that the water's not t…

Asking people where the final line is with a nuclear option is a classic question with no satisfying answer, and the classical answer is that there is no line for when the button will be pressed.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by lovich »

nrds wrote: post #316
testing22321 wrote: post #158

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Watch the video of what led to this. He was standing there filming with his phone, ICE ran up to him and started yelling/pushing. Are you suggesting that him filming was obstructing ICE?

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No, you just claimed that anyone saying he wasn't obstructing is engaging in a fallacious argument.

He wasn't obstructing, he was filming them. That's a literal fact, not a fallacy.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by fzeroracer »

eudamoniac wrote: post #332
malfist wrote: post #302

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I've yet to hear how someone with their hands restrained and forced on the ground managed to get their hands on their gun. Can you please educate me?

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The strongest interpretation of your posts is that you know exactly what you're doing, because you've done it multiple [1] times [2] now [3].

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46559763

[2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46536148

[3] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46515813

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by lovich »

HPMOR wrote: post #358

Why is this being hidden off of the main HN pages? There are clearly enough points for it to be significantly up weighted. I don’t understand the censorship.

The censorship is cranked up on every site now, presumably due to fear of retaliation from this admin.

They are hyper online, and threaten any companies business deals if they feel slighted.

Its why you can get banned on reddit now for quoting the president.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by toomuchtodo »

eudamoniac wrote: post #315
toomuchtodo wrote: post #298

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Blue states fund red states, they are the economic engines of the country. California has the forth largest economy in the world. The federal government has more to lose. Red states are poor. Blue states can simply withhold federal support, keep federal tax revenue in state and let the federal government try to sue for it. I encourage the federal government to try to support itself off of red states. https://usafacts…

I understand that, but you're assuming they also stop paying federal tax altogether? Your initial point was to just not allow federal employees to transact, but now we're quickly entering secession territory. The red states mostly grow the food, anyway. Is Manhattan prepared to starve? Feds may block imports to such a rogue state. If your point is that states should essentially secede to prevent federal agents from d…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soft_secession

> The major power lever that could be used in soft secession is if a state normally giving more in taxes to the federal government than it receives back would cease to send tax revenue to the federal government. These states, which generally are blue states governed by a Democratic Party majority, could leverage finances to exert influence over the federal administration, i.e. a Republican administration seen as hostile to their interests.

Interestingly, if done strategically, you could cause the US government to default on treasuries through a loss of federal revenue (a component of which is used to service US debt), forcing a debt spiral. This would enable the states with economic power to "wag the dog" in partnership with the bond market, because the federal government cannot operate if they lose the power of funding via issuing debt while also losing revenue from these states. Net contributor states could issue muni debt directly into the bond market, avoiding the need for federal dollars.

Blue states can force the federal government into default, if they have the will.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by drewbug01 »

eudamoniac wrote: post #332
malfist wrote: post #302

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I've yet to hear how someone with their hands restrained and forced on the ground managed to get their hands on their gun. Can you please educate me?

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Why do you think it’s so important to get in this guy’s head, and to give him this graceful excuse of “maybe he just panicked?”

Obviously someone panicked. We can clearly see they did not line them up and actually shoot them with a firing squad.

But what is the point of this thought exercise? Where does it lead? To more “training” for the agents?

The whole thing is illegitimate and immoral. There is no need to engage with what was going on in the guy’s head. We are way, way too far past that point.

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