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> We'll see if suspect ends up having had a gun on him.
Will we? None of the ICE goons are wearing body cams, there will be no court case over this. The pink lady’s video might show something, but that’s it.
Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning
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#92Sounds like ICE's official word right now is that the guy had a gun. But the video clearly indicates that they all tackled him to the ground and were wrestling him maybe 4 vs 1, before they all shot him together. I'm not quite sure how a gun can have come out of this. Maybe the guy while struggling on the ground happened to reach in the direction of someone's gun while getting curbstomped, I dunno. What I'm most worr…
Someone captured the beginning of the shooting victim’s interaction with ICE. It certainly doesn’t look as though the person is aggressive or brandishing a weapon. The DHS public statement that the victim was going to “do maximize damage and massacre law enforcement” is outrageous… https://x.com/David_J_Bier/status/2015125221938770324
Pam Bondi's Department of Justice will be worse. They're the ones who are in charge of investigating this. I expect the FBI under her to support ICE and defend them with all their might.
The checks and balances at the federal level are all captured. Support Minnesota in this troubling time.
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#93IANAA: what legal powers does the city/state have to expel ICE agents? Especially as they are operating in, at best , increasingly shady legality. I always understood that the USA is built on a delicate balance of power between the federal and state governments. But here the federal government is sending thugs who, masked or unmasked, are brazenly killing people in bizzare circumstances. And the best the state can do…
Legal eagle has more in-depth analysis of this. But in summary, there's basically no recourse.
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How do you look at this video and conclude it’s the protestors fault? What dystopia do you live in where a shoving match, resulting in someone getting restrained, should turn into execution of the restrained person in broad daylight?
I'm saying the administration is aiming to provoke violence from the citizenry so they can declare martial law, and that they were hoping to achieve their aim sooner. It is astonishing that no real violence has yet been inflicted upon an ICE thug, in Minneapolis or anywhere else. I never concluded that the protestor is at fault.
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#95Earlier quoted context omitted.
ICE thugs have been recruited largely from white nationalist rallies and forums. Literally, not as some kind of metaphor. DHS executives post white nationalist propaganda hourly on Twitter. Stephen Miller, an out-of-the-closet Nazi, is the acting president of the United States. Their goal is to start a race war that they believe they can win by murdering 100 million Americans.
I don't think we can just blame white people for this. A lot of the ICE agents are non-white and many non-whites voted for Trump. In fact, most of the pro-immigrant people I meet are white!
You're correct that it would be wrong to just blame white people for this, but I don't think anyone is doing that. No one is claiming that all white people support ICE, or that all ICE agents are white, or that all white people are anti-immigrant.
However, it is the case that American culture is and historically has been built upon white supremacist principles and that the default identity in the US politically and culturally is white, and that therefore white people generally enjoy a status of privilege and political power that other groups do not, and thus a responsibility that others do not. And the links between the Trump administration, alt-right movements and white supremacist groups in the US are well known and documented, even though minority groups voted for him as well.
So it would be just as wrong to dismiss the premise that "white people" are to blame due to pedantry as it would be to blame all white people. "White people" do carry the lion's share of the blame as a community and culture even if not literally every white person does. That's the nature of systemic racism.
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#96@dang Why is this flagged and removed from the front page in seconds.
People say there are users who don't want politics on their frontpage, but I think it's just simpler: we have a nontrivial minority of users who are pro-MAGA and like what's going on, so they downvote anything that makes Trump's action look bad. :/
And some HN users are being paid a lot of money to write software that facilitates the actions of this administration and/or further destabilizes democracy.
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#97@dang Why is this flagged and removed from the front page in seconds.
Tagging users like that is not a site function. If you want to get in touch with the moderators, send email with the contact link in the page footer. "flagged" always means that users flagged it, not moderator action. And there are a lot of readers who will flag all submissions about US politics, no matter the polarity of the article.
unless you alays have your email open on your device, its a tiny PITA to fire it up, login, remember your issue, and compose a proper message.
so when you [@user] tag a user rather than email its kinda like a rhetorical question, your not expecting a reply, but if someone just happens to pass by and notice your tag, they might answer.
also @user might mean wasted desire to some, but other users here might see a previously agreed upon heuristic is in play, and act in that context.
for example if someone from a very small subset of usernames that i recognize, were to @rolph me, i might SMS them at a previously agreed mobile number, if i see the signal in a reasonable time.
Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning
#98IANAA: what legal powers does the city/state have to expel ICE agents? Especially as they are operating in, at best , increasingly shady legality. I always understood that the USA is built on a delicate balance of power between the federal and state governments. But here the federal government is sending thugs who, masked or unmasked, are brazenly killing people in bizzare circumstances. And the best the state can do…
Make it illegal to enable any commercial transactions within the state supporting federal agents. No food sales, no fuel sales, no hotel stays, no medical care, no rental cars. Make them drag their supply chain in like the Middle East. In state economic deplatforming.
Crazy I never thought the Third Amendment would be needed in my lifetime but I think you nailed it with this.
Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning
#99This is probably a good day to take time away from social media. Doom scrolling won’t do anything
Instead there’s DHS funding going through Congress which could give Congress leverage to restrict ICE. To be clear ICE will still operate past the funding deadline. But Congress can create limits like mandating allowing states to investigate these crimes. Restrict who can carry firearms.
Write your senators and ask them to block DHS funding
Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning
#100Sounds like ICE's official word right now is that the guy had a gun. But the video clearly indicates that they all tackled him to the ground and were wrestling him maybe 4 vs 1, before they all shot him together. I'm not quite sure how a gun can have come out of this. Maybe the guy while struggling on the ground happened to reach in the direction of someone's gun while getting curbstomped, I dunno. What I'm most worr…
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1. The are not going to investigate it. Totally legit right?
2. This regime likes to post deepfakes (even president himself).
Why do you have urge to defend these pedophiles?