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AI is a horse (2024)

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Re: AI is a horse (2024)

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Except when you want it to improve something in a particular way you already know about. Then god forbid it understands what you have asked and makes only that change :/ Some times I end up giving up trying to get the AI to build something following a particular architecture or fixing a particular problem in it's provious implementations.

Totally. I just meant literally, AI servers need a lot of water to work.

  I did not catch that. Nice.

Re: AI is a horse (2024)

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Why does HN love analogies? You can pick any animal or thing and it can fit in some way. Horse is a docile safe analogy it’s also the most obvious analogy. Like yes the world gets it LLMs have limitations thanks for sharing, we know it’s not as good as a programmer. We should use analogies to point out the obvious thing everyone is avoiding: Guys 3 years ago, AI wasn’t even a horse. It was a rock. The key is that it…

If an analogy is an "obvious" analogy that makes it definitionally a good analogy, right? Either way: don't see why you gotta be so prescriptive about it one way or the other! You can just say you disagree.

Well no there are plenty of bad analogies that are obvious.

A boy is like a girl.

A skinny human is like a human that is not skinny.

A car is like a wagon.

All obvious, all pointless.

Re: AI is a horse (2024)

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The irony with the chess example is that chess has never been more popular. Perhaps we're about to experience yet another renaissance of computer languages.

Chess being popular is mostly because FIDE had a massive push in the last decade to make it more audience friendly. shorter time formats, more engaging commentary etc. While AI in chess is very cool in its own accord. It is not the driver for the adoption.

I know for me, it’s having a chess app on my smartphone. I play blitz chess like some people vape.

Re: AI is a horse (2024)

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Famously Steve Jobs said that the (personal) computer is "like a bicycle for the mind". It's a great metaphor because- besides the idea of lightness and freedom it communicates- it also described the computer as multiplier of the human strength- the bicycle allows one to travel faster and with much less effort, it's true, but ultimately the source of its power is still entirely in the muscles of the cyclist- you don'…

I think there is a legitimate fear that is born from what happened with Chess. Humans could handily beat computers at chess for a long time. Then a massive supercomputer beat the reigning champion, but didn't win the tournament. Then that computer came back and won the tournament a year later. A few years later humans are collaborating in-game with these master chess engines to multiply their strength, becoming the d…

except chess is a solved problem given enough compute power. This caused people to split into two camps, those that knew it was inevitable, and those that were shocked

Re: AI is a horse (2024)

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Famously Steve Jobs said that the (personal) computer is "like a bicycle for the mind". It's a great metaphor because- besides the idea of lightness and freedom it communicates- it also described the computer as multiplier of the human strength- the bicycle allows one to travel faster and with much less effort, it's true, but ultimately the source of its power is still entirely in the muscles of the cyclist- you don'…

When tractors were invented, there was a notable reduction in human employment in agriculture in the USA. From a research paper ( https://faculty.econ.ucdavis.edu/faculty/alolmstead/Recent_P... ): > The lower-bound estimate represents 18 percent of the total reduction in man-hours in U.S. agriculture between 1944 and 1959; the upper-bound estimate, 27 percent I'm not seeing that with LLMs.

According to Wikipedia, the Ivel Agricultural Motor was the first successful model of lightweight gasoline-powered tractor. The year was 1903. You're like someone being dismissive in 1906 because "nothing happened yet".

Re: AI is a horse (2024)

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If you had a setup where the computer just did its thing and never waited for the human to provide input but the human still had an unused button they could press to get a chance to say something that might technically count as "centaur", but that isn't really what people mean by the term. It's the delay in waiting for human input that's the big disadvantage centaur setups have when the human isn't really providing a…

But why would that be a disadvantage large enough to cause the player to lose, which would be necessary for > pure AI teams tend to be much stronger. Maybe each turn has a time limit, and a human would need "n moments" to make the final judgement call whereas the AI could delay the final decision right to the last moment for it's final analysis? So the pure AI player gets an additional 10-30s to simulate the game ess…

It's not that each turn has a time limit but that each player has a time limit to spend across the entire game.

Re: AI is a horse (2024)

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Why does HN love analogies? You can pick any animal or thing and it can fit in some way. Horse is a docile safe analogy it’s also the most obvious analogy. Like yes the world gets it LLMs have limitations thanks for sharing, we know it’s not as good as a programmer. We should use analogies to point out the obvious thing everyone is avoiding: Guys 3 years ago, AI wasn’t even a horse. It was a rock. The key is that it…

AI is an analogy to something that people feel the technology is similar to but that it is obviously not. Language is more of less a series of analogies. Comparing one thing to another is how humans are able to make sense of the world.

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