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Re: Minnesota activist releases arrest video after manipulated White House version

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The current link is basically devoid of information, but clicking through to this page shows the two pictures with a slider to move between them: https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-levy-armstrong-crying-... The differences are not subtle

Of course they darkened her skin color.

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Sony cameras can sign still images and videos to vouch that they are not AI generated: https://authenticity.sony.net/camera/en-us/index.html https://www.sony.eu/presscentre/sony-launches-camera-verify-... Ideally it'd become an open standard supported by all manufacturers. Which is what they're trying to do: https://c2pa.org/

Thank you, this is fantastic to know! I think we have to normalize requiring this or similar standards for news, it will go a long way. Ideally we would have a similar attestation from most people's cameras (on their smartphones) but that's a much harder problem to also support with 3p camera apps.

More like I won't trust anything that doesn't come from a press photographer.

Re: Minnesota activist releases arrest video after manipulated White House version

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sony cameras can sign still images and videos to vouch that they are not AI generated: https://authenticity.sony.net/camera/en-us/index.html https://www.sony.eu/presscentre/sony-launches-camera-verify-... Ideally it'd become an open standard supported by all manufacturers. Which is what they're trying to do: https://c2pa.org/

Thank you, this is fantastic to know! I think we have to normalize requiring this or similar standards for news, it will go a long way. Ideally we would have a similar attestation from most people's cameras (on their smartphones) but that's a much harder problem to also support with 3p camera apps.

it doesnt really matter if you can just take a photo of an AI image that's been printed out

Re: Minnesota activist releases arrest video after manipulated White House version

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Don’t worry! According to the White House, it’s just a meme! Making up fake news is totally fine as long as you can say you’re memeing!

The WH using social media (X, Pravda Social) for official communication is highly deliberate - they get to declare post-hoc what is actually real communication and what is “just memes”. Of course it won’t make any difference to people amplifying the content. If the WH had to stick to traditional outlets for news they wouldn’t have this fig leaf to hide behind.

Re: Minnesota activist releases arrest video after manipulated White House version

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I think we're never going to be able to have robust ai detection, and current models are as bad as they'll ever be. Instead we really need to have the ability to sign images on cameras that show these are the bits that came off this hardware unedited, that professional news outlets can verify. But that's going to cost money to make and market all these new cameras and I just don't know how we incentivize or pay for t…

Then you can have a signed picture of a screen showing an AI image. And the government will have a secret version of OpenAI that has a camera signature.

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> turns out, majority of voters are dumb fucks.

In fairness, many people have been working hard for decades to turn as many people into illiterate dumb fucks as possible. We didn't get here accidentally.

Re: Minnesota activist releases arrest video after manipulated White House version

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I think we're never going to be able to have robust ai detection, and current models are as bad as they'll ever be. Instead we really need to have the ability to sign images on cameras that show these are the bits that came off this hardware unedited, that professional news outlets can verify. But that's going to cost money to make and market all these new cameras and I just don't know how we incentivize or pay for t…

This sounds like a good idea on its face, but it will have the effect of both legitimizing altered photos and delegitimizing photos of actual events.

You will need camera DRM with a hardware security module down all the way to the image sensor, where the hardware is in the hands of the attacker. Even when that chain is unbroken, you'll need to detect all kinds of tricks where the incoming photons themselves are altered. In the simplest case: a photo of a photo.

If HDCP has taught anything, it's that vendors of consumer products cannot implement such a secure chain at all, with ridiculous security vulnerabilities for years. HDCP has been given up and has become mostly irrelevant, perhaps except for the criminal liability it places on 'breaking' it. Vendors are also pushed to rely on security by obscurity, which will make such vulnerabilities harder to find for researchers than for attackers.

If you have half of such a 'signed photos' system in place, it will become easier to dismiss photos of actual events on the basis that they're unsigned. If a camera model or security chip shared by many models turns out to be broken, or a new photo-of-a-photo trick becomes known, a huge amount of photos produced before that, become immediately suspect. If you gatekeep (the proper implementations of) these features only to professional or expensive models, citizen journalism will be disincentivized.

But even more importantly: if you choose to rely on technical measures that are poorly understood by the general public (and that are likely to blow up in your face), you erode a social system of trust that already is in place, which is journalism. Although the rise of social media, illiteracy and fascism tends to suggest otherwise, journalistic chain of custody of photographic records mainly works fine. But only if we keep maintaining and teaching that system.

Re: Minnesota activist releases arrest video after manipulated White House version

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I remember reading an article about how terrible AI could be in the hands of a regime like China's. What a time to be alive, I guess.

all this time we were “fighting China” and now we got China… except nothing gets done :)
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