These sort of shenanigans for even basic lanekeeping makes a very strong case for more open source solutions like comma
And right to repair
Tesla kills Autopilot, locks lane-keeping behind $99/month fee
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#52I would gladly pay $99/month if this was honest FSD. I started tracking my time consistently since end of December and in the past 2 weeks I spend 23 hours driving. That's already only $4/hour.
I haven't been keeping up with the progress in this space. Last I heard, Benz introduced some sort of self driving feature AND accepted full liability for it (whereas Tesla does not). How does Benz's self driving compare to Teslas?
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#53These sort of shenanigans for even basic lanekeeping makes a very strong case for more open source solutions like comma
My Comma 4 arrives today, and I think it will be great (using it with my Lightning, not my Model 3), but I think it is just a temporary solution that is effectively a dead man walking. The latest cars are not usable with a Comma and likely will never be, with manufacturers locking down the CANBUS with encryption.
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#54These sort of shenanigans for even basic lanekeeping makes a very strong case for more open source solutions like comma
it’s a standard feature on all models for many brands today
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#55It's a tradeoff, too early to say if it's a dumb move.
Side A: Tesla can grow FSD subscription revenue by making FSD + Autopilot completely based on subscription. Lot more people use Autopilot than FSD. In the happy path such users will pay the subscription and that revenue will increase.
Side B: Autopilot (aka lane keeping) is fast becoming default option across manufacturers. Tesla will take a dip in sales if such 'basic' option is no longer available.
Whether side A > side B is to be seen.
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#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
Pressing the lane assistant button on a Mercedes steering wheel and getting a “you’ll need to activate your subscription first” message really drove up my blood pressure.
You know you can just buy it?
It’s built in. There is a dedicated button for it. Hard to justify imho.
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#57Time for comma to shine?
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#58He said the price will increase as it gets more capable. Funny though, they've lowered the price of FSD over the years...
He lies so consistently, it continues to impress me how effectively he controls TSLA investors.
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#59My guess is Tesla is desperately in need of Q1 revenue and they want people to scarcity buy FSD lifetime @ $8K. Otherwise the strategy doesn’t make any sense. They’re saying FSD and basic Autopilot will go behind subscription and that subscription prices are expected to go up. Basically laying out that they’re planning to lock you into a subscription and then price gouge. It’s so transparent that I think the point is…
1. There's a CA lawsuit against the FSD name, Tesla has to fix it by Feb 14th (the last day FSD is being sold). I wonder if it'll just be a rebrand for the new service. https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/news-and-media/news-releases/d... 2. Elon's Trillion Dollar Payout is tied to a certain number of FSD Subscriptions. 3. Some consumers were sold that they would get hardware upgrades for FSD. I'm pretty sure Tesla would l…
> 4. Subscriptions drive our economy, I don't know the details but it seems like every company wants subscriptions over one time purchases.
Every person I know wants a subscription, too. Who wouldn’t want a nest egg throwing off passive income?
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#60$99/month plus tax is a pretty fucking steep price for any kind of subscription! Holy cow!
If you have do a lot of driving, $99/mo. seems like a decent price to have the car drive itself, especially if it got to the Waymo point where absolutely no driver attention was needed and you could watch Netflix the whole time. The issue with FSD isn't the price, it's that no matter what Elon and his fanboys say, it doesn't bloody work and Waymo is blowing them out of the water in capability.