I truly do sometimes detest the open source community's often outright hostility towards monetization of software. People gotta eat.
I've been to developer conferences in the US. Lack of food is definitely not a problem.
What has Docker become?
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#142- well time to announce DockerVM, a super fast under 100ms boot time competitor to firecracker and gvisor and try selling this to some of the cloud providers out there - take advantage of the current agentic wave and announce a Docker Sandbox runner product that lets you run agents inside cloud sandboxes
Or maybe a CI runner service?
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#143Hi, I'm the founder of Docker. I started it in 2008 (under the name Dotcloud) and left in 2018. AMA.
What would you have done differently in retrospect?
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#144Seems like (according to the author) whatever docker is doing it is a sign of their immediate demise and everyone on HN is cheering for the company to go down in flames no matter what. The tech is open source and free forever - thats somehow a problem? The company monitised enterprise features, while keeping core and hub free - also a problem? Is exploring AI tools, like everyone else is? should they not? should they…
Not really, rancher, containerd, podman don't depend on Docker other than offering a compatibility layer for tools that expect talking to the real Docker.
containerd is the lower half of dockerd, spun out by Docker as a standalone open source project. It remains a core component of Docker.
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#145For a while, Docker seemed to focus on developer experience. ahh yes, docker desktop, where the error messages are "something went wrong", and the primary debugging step is to wipe it, uninstall, and reinstall.
Yup. How many years did I go where the most frequently pushed button in the Docker Desktop UI was "reset my installation"?
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#146Earlier quoted context omitted.
It didn't help them that they rejected the traditionally successful ways of monetizing open source software. Which is, selling support contracts to large corporate users. Corporate customers didn't like the security implications of the Docker daemon running as root, they wanted better sandboxing and management (cgroups v2), wanted to be able to run their own internal registries, didn't want to have docker trying to f…
Absolutely none of this is true. Docker had support contracts (Docker EE... and trying to remember, docker-cs before that naming pivot?). Corporate customers do not care about any of the things you mentioned. I mean, maybe some, but in general no. That's not what corps think about. There was never "no interest" at Docker in cgv2 or rootless. Never. cgv2 early on was not useable. It lacked so much functionality that v…
for the record, cpuguy83 was in the trenches at docker circa 2013, it was like him a handful of other people working on docker when it went viral, he has an extremely insiders perspective, I'd trust what he says.
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#147Earlier quoted context omitted.
Absolutely none of this is true. Docker had support contracts (Docker EE... and trying to remember, docker-cs before that naming pivot?). Corporate customers do not care about any of the things you mentioned. I mean, maybe some, but in general no. That's not what corps think about. There was never "no interest" at Docker in cgv2 or rootless. Never. cgv2 early on was not useable. It lacked so much functionality that v…
I mean you can say that, but on the topic of rootless, regardless of "interest" at Docker, they did nothing about it. I was at Red Hat at the time, a PM in the BU that created podman, and Docker's intransigence on rootless was probably the core issue that led to podman's creation.
That's true, we didn't do much around it. Small startup with monetization problems and all.
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#148Hi, I'm the founder of Docker. I started it in 2008 (under the name Dotcloud) and left in 2018. AMA.
What are your thoughts on Podman?
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#149New cool tech is almost never a moat.
It will get a company started but if the tech has any success, that success is always replicable (even if the exact tech isn’t). IP protection is worthless and beside the point.
The only moat is the creativity of a company’s core staff when they spend a lot of time on valuable problems. Each thing they produce will grow, live, and die, but if the company has no pipeline it is doomed.
And VCs know this, which is why they want to pump startups up, and then cash out before they flop, even while founders talk about all the great things they can do next.
Naming your company after your one successful product is a pretty good sign of a limited lifespan.
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How do you manage your containers in podman declaratively? I tried to substitute docker-compose with Podman and Quadlets on a test server the other day, but was shocked how badly described the overall concept is. Most materials I found glimpsed through ability to run it as root/user and how different that is in configuration, and repeated the same 4-6 commands mantra. Spent a few hours on it and just... failed to run…
The podman kube support? It provides similar functionality as docker-compose, using a yaml file which is a subset of the Kubernetes pod definition syntax. Then you can just create a few line systemd unit definition, and it integrates as a normal systemd unit, with logs visible via journalctl etc.
This seems to be the way.
Short of weeding through the docs, I found the "Play with Kube using Podman" talk on DevConfs YouTube channel helpful.