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Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Now Available

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Post by pimeys »

Jare wrote: post #53
thechut wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lots of people are quick to jump on this "Avoid the pain of Windows 8" comment but people need to relax. Their is something major being overlooked here. Ubuntu is giving away their OS for FREE. $0 Windows 8 will be cheaper than previous Windows upgrades but lets not forget about the pillars of free software and why to support it.

'Free' and 'polite' are not mutually exclusive. The first pillar of free software is not '$0 free', it's 'respect'.

I don't understand how can Linux folks feel any respect for Microsoft after what they tried to do to Linux community a couple of years ago...

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Now Available

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Post by scorpioxy »

LarryMade wrote: post #98
kisielk wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trying to use multiple monitors on an Nvidia card and nothing but pain. They work just fine under Windows.

Hmm, seems to be working fine for me, have two going right now.

Same here.

Unity had a few bugs which seems to be fixed in this release but nothing annoying enough for me to switch.

Ironically, I also ran two screens on an ATI card which I bought to support their open source efforts. The nVidia was much better!

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Now Available

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Post by pjmlp »

TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #110
bad_user wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been on Ubuntu for years. Whatever pains I had were minor annoyances compared to pains experienced while using Windows up to version 7, which was considered to be good compared to the others. Windows is only friendly until you have a problem, after which you're screwed. I mean I'm a freaking dev and I can't figure out how to investigate problems on Windows which start to happen after maybe 4-5 months of usage, a…

I installed Ubuntu after Windows lost track of its installed components (the list was blank ), and realised that I could at least use an OS for which such a problem was fixable without needing a MS technician.

Just wait until you get a corrupt .deb database...

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Now Available

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Post by gingerjoos »

drivebyacct2 wrote: post #64
gnaritas wrote: post #58

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No they don't suck, they rock. This isn't windows, and I shouldn't have to lost my setup to upgrade to the latest distro.

Yes, they do suck. I regularly see and help people that are dealing with broken systems because of stalled/incomplete/broken in place upgrades. Regardless, it's easy to not lose your setup, run the latest OS AND not do in-place upgrades. Just put /home on a separate partition and you're done. Use dpkg to make a list and restore a list of applications (same with repos). A few files to backup and a few minutes to wait…

I find, sometimes, that doing an

#apt-get -f missing

fixes many of these post-upgrade problems. YMMV!

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Now Available

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Post by xentronium »

kisielk wrote: post #96
vacipr wrote: post #2

"Avoid the pain of Windows 8." Well done Canonical..well done. Here's a nice alternative for those having problems with the site. http://releases.ubuntu.com/quantal/

Trying to use multiple monitors on an Nvidia card and nothing but pain. They work just fine under Windows.

If you only have two, it's bearable, though.

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Now Available

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Post by xentronium »

reledi wrote: post #67
modarts wrote: post #37

"Avoid the pain of Windows 8" And say hello to the pain of not finding suitable drivers for half your devices.

This a common myth. I'm going to assume that you don't tinker with your machines often. Whenever I do a fresh install of Windows, I go on a wild goose chase for drivers. The current Linux kernel supports more devices than any single Windows release. Linux also supports more legacy devices than Windows Vista or Windows 7 and supports numerous architectures not supported at all by Windows. In the case when there's no s…

It's not a myth. Linux support for newer hardware is still abysmal. Video card drivers still suck. Multiple display (more than two) support is bad-bad-bad. Unity and xinerama still don't click.

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Now Available

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Post by vidarh »

georgemcbay wrote: post #42
vacipr wrote: post #2

"Avoid the pain of Windows 8." Well done Canonical..well done. Here's a nice alternative for those having problems with the site. http://releases.ubuntu.com/quantal/

"Avoid the pain of Windows 8." I've been running Windows 8 since the RTM went to MSDN. I adjusted to the cheese-moving pain of Windows 8 within a week. Four months into Ubuntu with Unity I eventually adjusted to the cheese-moving pain of Unity by switching to Mint. Ubuntu has no leg to stand on when it comes to new versions of an OS making unwanted changes to UX. [Before anyone chimes in here, I know you can set up U…

For my part Unity is the first time I have an UI that doesn't make me swear and wish I was back to using my old Amiga....

I installed Ubuntu 12.04 with the intention of ripping out Unity for a tiling window manager, but gave it a day or so, and that was enough to realize that with minimal adjustment to keybindings etc., it was pretty much exactly what I wanted with the exception of the loss of spatial file browsing which still annoys me,but then again I rarely use use the gui for finding files so it's something I can live with.

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Now Available

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Post by vidarh »

meaty wrote: post #69
mistercow wrote: post #7

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>especially when they're pumping what the user types in the launcher straight at amazon and closing bugs when people complain that their launcher commands are showing inappropriate images That objection doesn't make any sense because those complaints are unrelated to the complaints people have about Windows 8. If you want to say that directly attacking your competition is un-classy, fine (although a better criticism…

I'm making a couple of points in that comment: 1. Attacking your competition is definitely not classy. 2. The suddly introduced shortcomings of Ubuntu are being ignored and regularly hidden away under the wave of marketing from (1).

The "shortcoming" is fixed by uninstalling a single package.

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Now Available

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Post by vidarh »

pjmlp wrote: post #113
TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I installed Ubuntu after Windows lost track of its installed components (the list was blank ), and realised that I could at least use an OS for which such a problem was fixable without needing a MS technician.

Just wait until you get a corrupt .deb database...

I manage 100+ VM images and 20+ hosts, and we've run Debian on all of them for many years, and I also run Ubuntu on a number of machines. We've never once managed to get a corrupt database, so it's not exactly something that's common. And should it happen, you have backups, right?

Now, some quick searches reveal that if you don't have a backup, it is still just a matter of forcibly install dpkg, debconf, apt and apt-utils with appropriate switches to prevent the dependency resolution from complaining, copying the dpkg.status backups that are automatically copied to /var/backups/ to /var/lib/dpkg, and then force a "reinstall" of all the packages that are listed as installed to get the rest of the data (.info files etc. back).

If you somehow managed to wipe out both /var/lib/dpkg and /var/backups _and_ not have a backup of your system, I'd have little sympathy, but even then you can restore most of a system by getting package lists for your specific distro version and force reinstalls of all the base packages. Restoring dpkg info for any custom installs would be a bit more work, but not worse than getting an iso of the distro, mounting it, and obtaining a list of matching packages for the files in your system directories.

But the latter is not necessary. Your system will keep working. You'll just run into occasional problems installing new packages and having to force installs when something pulls in a package you actually have installed but don't have a record of.

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