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Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Now Available

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Post by LarryMade »

drivebyacct2 wrote: post #51
modarts wrote: post #37

"Avoid the pain of Windows 8" And say hello to the pain of not finding suitable drivers for half your devices.

I literally can't remember the last time I had driver issues in Ubuntu. The last time I had one in Linux at ALL was early Raspberry Pi builds that didn't include Broadcom drivers. And even that was easy to fix.

Printer drivers seem to be the main one for me, I have a canon network inkjet all-in-one and a xerox 8560. The Canon I finally located the Linux network print and scan drivers finally on a UK or AU Canon site (which had an easy to fix glitch in the install file, Google around - you'll find them). For the 8560 had to get the Windows PPD from the Xerox site as the Linux drivers section was inaccessible and the pre-installed CUPS one didn't recognize paper handling. Still get a constant "printer is out of ink" warning - but it prints.

When it comes to laptops number one becomes the wireless card.

I usually avoid video issues by making sure the computer has an nvidia card or laptop has an nvidia chipset- learned my lesson there.

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Now Available

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Post by bad_user »

untog wrote: post #17
adamman wrote: post #12

"Avoid the pain of Windows 8" If you think Windows 8 is going to be a pain, I don't recommend moving to Ubuntu. BTW, I really like Ubuntu. I don't like that sales pitch though.

Very much so. The pain with Windows 8 is going to be the UI change- switching to Ubuntu will require a very similar adjustment to a new UI (one that, ironically, Canonical forced on a userbase that was unsure about it).

I've been on Ubuntu for years. Whatever pains I had were minor annoyances compared to pains experienced while using Windows up to version 7, which was considered to be good compared to the others. Windows is only friendly until you have a problem, after which you're screwed. I mean I'm a freaking dev and I can't figure out how to investigate problems on Windows which start to happen after maybe 4-5 months of usage, after which the probability of reinstalling it completely converges to one.

OSX is the most user-friendly of the 3. However with Ubuntu you get freedom in all senses of the word. People complain that Ubuntu has hardware issues, yet they never tried building a Hackintosh, not to mention that you're not allowed to do it anyway. Of course you have more problems on Ubuntu with hardware, but there is hardware supported out of the box and for the others for any issue you may have at least you'll find a solution.

For me Ubuntu represents freedom. Freedom to fix issues with it, freedom from a gatekeeper, freedom to own it entirely in every possible way. I see that few people, few devs actually, place emphasis on the ability to own something. And then they get pissed off when the gatekeeper changes the rules. Well, you make your bed, you sleep in it and so on.

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Now Available

#103

Post by dayjah »

I've been running this for a few days now on my macbook air (mid-2012, aka 5,2) and it is flawless. 12.04 needed to have ACPI switched off, I guess at some point the fixed that but I didn't think to check until I decided to take the plunge with beta2 and the clean install booted absolutely perfectly! #Ubuntu #Winning

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Now Available

#104

Post by Stratoscope »

rustynails77 wrote: post #90
Encosia wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same here. Windows 8 is a clear improvement over Windows 7 once you acclimate to the new interface (which you only need to spend a tiny fraction of your time using anyway). I've noticed that a lot of the criticism comes from people who tried Windows 8 in a VM, where it's difficult to hit the corners, and people who dabbled with dual booting it or using it on secondary machines, without truly committing to learning th…

Not me. I installed Windows 8 as a partition. It was a nightmare. There are four corners of the screen that seem to do different things when you point there. After about two weeks of casual use, I gave up and went back to Windows 7. My head seriously hurt trying to remember (guess) which corner did what, in order to go "back and forth" between the different UI paradigms (which by the way is UNNECESSARY to have more t…

Corners? Yeah, I don't like those either, and I hated Windows 8 at first.

But there turned out to be a simple solution: the Windows+letter shortcut keys. Start with the Windows key (literally), or use Windows+I for quick settings (power, wireless, etc.), Windows+X for power tools, or any of the other Windows+letter shortcuts.

I posted several of them here:

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4663376

After getting used to those keys I started to like Windows 8 after all. I'd always used the Windows key to open the Start menu on Windows 7 and earlier, there were just some new Windows+letter combinations in Windows 8. Handy stuff.

I'm not saying you should switch back to Windows 8 again, but if/when you do, just go through the whole alphabet trying every Windows+letter combination to see what they do. You won't need those four corners any more.

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Now Available

#105

Post by slurgfest »

georgemcbay wrote: post #42
vacipr wrote: post #2

"Avoid the pain of Windows 8." Well done Canonical..well done. Here's a nice alternative for those having problems with the site. http://releases.ubuntu.com/quantal/

"Avoid the pain of Windows 8." I've been running Windows 8 since the RTM went to MSDN. I adjusted to the cheese-moving pain of Windows 8 within a week. Four months into Ubuntu with Unity I eventually adjusted to the cheese-moving pain of Unity by switching to Mint. Ubuntu has no leg to stand on when it comes to new versions of an OS making unwanted changes to UX. [Before anyone chimes in here, I know you can set up U…

Mint's packaging and documentation is significantly worse than Ubuntu's. There is no reason to use Mint and not Debian or Ubuntu, except that you are interested in Cinnamon (which I have never once found to work)

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Now Available

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Post by slurgfest »

anuaitt wrote: post #41

this is totally childish, i have been using ubuntu for last 6 years and never have had complains with their working. they used to do splendid job by delivering the cds at door steps in shipit program. but this step of defaming competitors is never gonna help, it is going to become a part of criticism.

I don't know if you noticed, but Ubuntu hasn't been picking up new users at a dramatic rate. And it's easily in the top 3 Linux distros. What do they actually have to lose?

If I use Ubuntu on my laptop, and Ubuntu says something about Windows 8, am I going to stop using Ubuntu because I am so offended on Microsoft's behalf? Not really.

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Now Available

#108

Post by slurgfest »

untog wrote: post #27
mistercow wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>(one that, ironically, Canonical forced on a userbase that was unsure about it). You don't have to use Unity. I see Unity as a potential innovation driver but something I probably won't use for a long time. You will have to switch to an unfamiliar UI, but you get to decide which one it will be. And if you use Gnome or KDE, you will have a ton of control to make the UI bend to your will (assuming you don't mind bangi…

Sure. But when you start factoring in switching your OS UI after installing it... well, Windows 8 doesn't look so "painful" to the average consumer.

Why would the average consumer care? It is old school diehards who are angry about Gnome 2, not new consumers who are slightly more likely to switch in the light of Windows 8 upheaval.

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Now Available

#109

Post by bni »

atopuzov wrote: post #31
meaty wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stabbing others in the back is no way to behave, especially when they're pumping what the user types in the launcher straight at amazon and closing bugs when people complain that their launcher commands are showing inappropriate images.

Ubuntu BUG #1 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1

Interesting, they changed it form "Windows" to "Proprietary".

Or do I misremember that?

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Now Available

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Post by TazeTSchnitzel »

bad_user wrote: post #102
untog wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Very much so. The pain with Windows 8 is going to be the UI change- switching to Ubuntu will require a very similar adjustment to a new UI (one that, ironically, Canonical forced on a userbase that was unsure about it).

I've been on Ubuntu for years. Whatever pains I had were minor annoyances compared to pains experienced while using Windows up to version 7, which was considered to be good compared to the others. Windows is only friendly until you have a problem, after which you're screwed. I mean I'm a freaking dev and I can't figure out how to investigate problems on Windows which start to happen after maybe 4-5 months of usage, a…

I installed Ubuntu after Windows lost track of its installed components (the list was blank), and realised that I could at least use an OS for which such a problem was fixable without needing a MS technician.
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