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Post by perching_aix »

jb1991 wrote: post #200

It sounds funny, but it's not. I once issued a bug to them that didn't have enough information about how to reproduce... and I was lambasted on Reddit and eventually just deleted my account there it was so terrifying. Some dev teams do not mess around. In fact I've shied off most social media since and no longer issue bug reports to any company, I was scarred deep over the treatment.

How does Reddit come up in this?

The only official community spaces they maintain are:

- their GitHub projects (Issues, Pull Requests, Discussions)

- their mailing lists

- their HackerOne page

If you were harassed on Reddit that is still shitty of course, but it's not gonna be on the project's dev team:

> Some dev teams do not mess around.

Unless some of the devs have verifiable, pseudo-official presence there at least.

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Post by epolanski »

hypeatei wrote: post #175
causalscience wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Indian students Is this cultural? I ran a small business some years ago (later failed) and was paying for contract work to various people. At the I perceived the pattern that Indian contractors would never ever ask for clarifications, would never say they didn't know something, would never say they didn't understand something, etc. Instead they just ran with whatever they happened to have in their mind, until I cal…

This is called "saving face"[0] and it's very common in some Asian cultures. Western societies prefer directness, and eastern ones prefer harmony. 0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Face_(sociological_concept)

I wish every indian developer to spend 6 months working with dutch people.

That would be interesting.

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Post by epolanski »

tock wrote: post #169
causalscience wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Indian students Is this cultural? I ran a small business some years ago (later failed) and was paying for contract work to various people. At the I perceived the pattern that Indian contractors would never ever ask for clarifications, would never say they didn't know something, would never say they didn't understand something, etc. Instead they just ran with whatever they happened to have in their mind, until I cal…

How much are the contractors being paid? The people having a terrible time with Indian contractors always deal with folks making 3k-10k USD/year. Of course the quality is bad. For reference: Good Indian devs out of college make atleast 30k USD. Good senior devs make atleast 50k. The really good ones make much more. Most American companies outsource to bottom of the barrel contracting companies like Infosys.

> Good Indian devs out of college make atleast 30k USD. Good senior devs make atleast 50k.

1. How can you be a good dev if you've never developed professionally in your life?

2. I know Indian numbers and this is complete bs. Like complete.

Maybe there are extremely rare exceptions to it, but this is like claiming that good US devs out of college make 350k. That's beyond rare, may happen, but it's beyond rare.

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Post by oaiey »

htrp wrote: post #295
oaiey wrote: post #221

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Particular topic (1) is also trained in cross cultural trainings. Another topic is: do not expect a remote dev to pickup ambient knowledge, particular if they are juniors with no life experience. And since outsourcing to India is trying to get the resources for the lowest possible price, the result is: you get them as junior / fake senior / bad senior as you think. Pay better in India, get better people.

How do you stop the better people from moving out of India (and/or to another firm) once they have your work exp on their resume?

With higher salaries (is happening) and better quality of life (I do not know, do not life there). Within company obviously quality of the culture matters there.

However considering how things are worldwide right now, I think that trend stops soonish.

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Post by fakedang »

koliber wrote: post #279
AndrewKemendo wrote: post #230

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> I've seen an interesting behavior in India. If I ask someone on the street for directions, they will always give me an answer, even if they don't know. If they don't know, they'll make something up. Isn’t this the precise failure pattern that everybody shits on LLMs for?

Yes.

Hence proved

AGI = A Guy/Gal in India

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Post by [deleted] »

bluGill wrote: post #261
bakugo wrote: post #246

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> This was strange. I asked a lot of Indian people about it and they said that it has to do with "saving face". Saying "I don't know" is a disgraceful thing. I've recently learned that this particular type of "saving face" has a name: "izzat". Look that up if you want to know more.

First I've heard of izzat... I'm not sure how to write that better, but the way you worded that made me suspect it was NSFW and I hesitated, but eventually decided I'd risk it. At least everything I found was work safe, and I learned a lot. I encourage everyone else who hasn't heard the word to look it up.

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Post by Aurornis »

oefrha wrote: post #288
compounding_it wrote: post #29

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>Indian students Resume glorification and LinkedIn / GitHub profile attention do that. I am seeing a lot of people coming up with perceived knowledge that's just LLM echo chambers. Code they contribute comes straight out of LLMs. This is generally fine as long as they know what it does. But when you ask them to make some changes, some are as lost as ever. Torvalds was right, code maintenance is going to be a headache…

At this point I won’t consider any GitHub activity after ~2024 as hiring signals unless it’s very substantial work on high profile projects that clearly have high bars.

Sadly that was already the case prior to LLMs.

We had a bootcamp in our city that had all students build a GitHub portfolio. They all built the same projects like a TODO app. Every person’s code would like almost identical because they all did them together and, I suspect, copied from past grads.

They all applied to the same local jobs, too. So we’d get a batch of their resumes with GitHub links, follow the GitHub links, and see basically the same codebase repeated everywhere.

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Post by samiv »

haspok wrote: post #285
samiv wrote: post #264

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Exactly this. You just put them on the spot and they lose face and you're embarrassing them. Besides this interaction has already made it know they they don't know the answer so what's the benefit of forcing them to announce they they don't know something?

Because the tail should not be wagging the dog. If they cannot take a step towards another culture, why should I?

I've only been in a peer to peer type of working relationships with people I'd consider coworkers so I wouldn't think it'd be very fruitful to start agitating people in such a position.

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Post by on_the_train »

jb1991 wrote: post #200

It sounds funny, but it's not. I once issued a bug to them that didn't have enough information about how to reproduce... and I was lambasted on Reddit and eventually just deleted my account there it was so terrifying. Some dev teams do not mess around. In fact I've shied off most social media since and no longer issue bug reports to any company, I was scarred deep over the treatment.

He rubs me the wrong way, too. Curl is overhyped and a pain to work with. And he's getting high on the "success" while crying about not being paid for something he offers for free. I think Americans have a nice phrase about having cake and eating it, too.

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Post by __turbobrew__ »

regenschutz wrote: post #242
gosub100 wrote: post #224

I think this is the perfect application of a micro payment service. Each PR must be signed with a nominal amount of money, say $0.15 give or take. You send in a commit, with no expectation to get it back.

I think a deposit would be better then. You make a deposit of ¢15 for each issue and PR you open, and then the maintainers can decide to give it back to you if it was opened in good-faith/useful/merged/whatever policy they decide on.

Agreed. Could be fiat or some sort of crypto currency that requires the submitter to have a vested interest in the outcome.

Honestly, I would love it if I could front some money in order to have the devs look at my PRs. Half my PRs just go into the void and nobody looks at them until some staleness bot inevitably closes it.

This is a similar problem to resume spam. I always wish I could pay $5 when submitting a resume with the guarantee that someone would actually look at it and give me a fair shot. If I ever run a place I want to experiment with only accepting resumes through letter mail or in person.

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