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Post by com »

bluGill wrote: post #183
freakynit wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Avoid middlemen in India.. sorry for the word, but they are the biggest leechers. We hate them too here. India is filled with small one-room service-based companies(the middlemens') that hire interns, for ZERO pay, make them work 12-14 hour days under extremely "humiliating" conditions and then when it comes to giving them internship completion certificate, they demand huge sums of money just to release them... think…

The good engineers in india know their value and get it. My company has offices in india because you have to manage them yourself not use middlemen. You can train the locals to be great managers (at least some). wages for good people in india are worse similar people in the us, but often high than in europe. But there are other problems with europe and so it can be the better deal.

Could you expand on the other problems with Europe other than hiring and firing laws?

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Post by yorwba »

jacquesm wrote: post #130
throwaway85825 wrote: post #109

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In china medical students are required to publish original papers. Instead they just pay someone to write it for them and pollute the literature.

So much for the curation argument of the price justification of professional journals.

The typical graduation-requirement paper doesn't get published in a professional journal, so I think professional journals do provide significant curation.

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Post by TheDong »

jb1991 wrote: post #200

It sounds funny, but it's not. I once issued a bug to them that didn't have enough information about how to reproduce... and I was lambasted on Reddit and eventually just deleted my account there it was so terrifying. Some dev teams do not mess around. In fact I've shied off most social media since and no longer issue bug reports to any company, I was scarred deep over the treatment.

I've read their reports before. When there's not enough information to reproduce, they do a good job of asking for more information first, and I've never seen a reasonable good-faith report elicit anything overt.

If you failed to give them proper reproduction information when asked, then yeah, you were wasting their time and they should rightfully close your issue.

I've never seen anyone on the curl team undeservedly "lambast" someone, and for a project that has a quite good reputation, I think the burden of proof is on you. Can you link to these supposedly terrifying comments?

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Post by yokoprime »

nchmy wrote: post #11

I've been helping a bit with OWASP documentation lately and there's been a surge of Indian students eagerly opening nonsensical issues and PRs and all of the communication and code is clearly 100% LLMs. They'll even talk back and forth with each other. It's a huge headache for the maintainers. I suggested following what Ghostty does where everything starts as discussions - only maintainers create issues, and PRs can…

I seem to remember there was a large (indian?) educational YouTuber who did a tutorial on how to use Git where they forked a FOSS repo, made a change to the README.md and then made a PR. This caused a huge influx of garbage PRs for that particular repo and other FOSS repos.

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Post by com »

throwaway85825 wrote: post #98
nchmy wrote: post #11

I've been helping a bit with OWASP documentation lately and there's been a surge of Indian students eagerly opening nonsensical issues and PRs and all of the communication and code is clearly 100% LLMs. They'll even talk back and forth with each other. It's a huge headache for the maintainers. I suggested following what Ghostty does where everything starts as discussions - only maintainers create issues, and PRs can…

Usually the protection against such spam is social shame but the internet is now full of people who have no shame because shame was never part of their culture. It would be more effective to use GeoIP in this case.

It’s not just the Internet. It’s politicians and businesspeople and more generally, shameless citizens.

There’s a lot to dislike about shame as an enforcement mechanism but I’m starting to miss some of the upside it delivered.

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Post by moralestapia »

nasmorn wrote: post #57
moralestapia wrote: post #24

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>Indian students How do you know this?

Sir, I agree with moralestapia. Not a singular one of the 20 lakh lines in the PR were written by ChaiGPT.

Lol. I found it of interest since it's quite hard to make an LLM write like a stereotypical Indian.

If I was an Indian student, I would prompt it to avoid that style instead of keeping it.

Also, generally, people can just make stuff up on the internet so ...

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Post by Retr0id »

jb1991 wrote: post #200

It sounds funny, but it's not. I once issued a bug to them that didn't have enough information about how to reproduce... and I was lambasted on Reddit and eventually just deleted my account there it was so terrifying. Some dev teams do not mess around. In fact I've shied off most social media since and no longer issue bug reports to any company, I was scarred deep over the treatment.

What was the bug?

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Post by vladms »

mixedbit wrote: post #156

Long time ago Sourceforge and then GitHub promoted into the current default the model of open source distribution which is not sustainable and I doubt it is something that the founding fathers of Free Software/Open Source had in mind. Open source licenses are about freedom of using and modifying software. The movement grew out of frustration that commercial software cannot be freely improved and fixed by the user to…

> the default expectation that authors will be promptly responding to new GitHub issues, bug reports and provide patches for free is insane.

I think there are many insane expectations out there, open source or not, so I don't personally see it that linked with the idea/ideal of open source.

> This is software support, it is a job, it should be paid.

Anything can be paid, nobody says otherwise. Some people prefer nobody pays for their source code (open source). Other people do support for free. And so on.

> The currently default model of having ... has nothing to do with open source and is not sustainable.

There were always arguments why open source will not be sustainable, many having some truth in them. But the current issue can be probably solved with some push-back on the speed of things or how attribution works. Something similar used to happen on some forums: you can't post a new thread for one month if you did not reply at least once without getting down-voted. For the current problem : if contributions are anonymous for the first 3 years of you contributing (if you are not banned) and your name becomes public only after, then all this "noise" for "advertisement" will die. Doubt this will discourage any well intentioned contributor.

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Post by bluecheese452 »

freakynit wrote: post #126
causalscience wrote: post #44

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> Indian students Is this cultural? I ran a small business some years ago (later failed) and was paying for contract work to various people. At the I perceived the pattern that Indian contractors would never ever ask for clarifications, would never say they didn't know something, would never say they didn't understand something, etc. Instead they just ran with whatever they happened to have in their mind, until I cal…

Indian here (~15+ years in tech). I've seen this behavior a lot, and unfortunately, I did some of this myself earlier in my career. Based on my own experience, here are a few reasons (could be a lot more): 1. Unlike most developed countries, in India (and many other develping countries), people in authority are expected to be respected unconditinally(almost). Questioning a manager, teacher, or senior is often seen as…

Alternatively you could hire people from cultures where this crap doesn’t fly.
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