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Post by BerislavLopac »

logifail wrote: post #524
ExoticPearTree wrote: post #427

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> ... and a business plan? Why would the government need a business plan? It's none of their business what you want to do with your company besides a general description as "software development" or "consulting services" or whatever.

> It's none of their business what you want to do with your company There are plenty of European member states that want the ability to control very precisely what you do with "your company". You want to call yourself "a software engineer"? Ooops... In the EU it seems particularly the German-speaking countries are borderline obsessed with a) titles, and b) whom may use those titles. See, for instance, https://news.yc…

> it seems particularly the German-speaking countries are borderline obsessed with a) titles

There is nothing borderline about that - the German cultural space (including very much the countries of former Habsburg Empire) is still completely obsessed with titles and formal positions despite many of them losing any practical importance in modern times.

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Post by joe_mamba »

johannes1234321 wrote: post #670
throwaway2037 wrote: post #644

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> However my employer is a Dutch B.V. with headquarters in Germany, thus they avoid having to form a board with works council representatives as a German GmbH (or AG) of comparable size would require. Damn, that's a pretty sleazy business practice. How do you feel about it? That would be a nice loophole to close.

It's not that easy if you want European integration and support the idea of "freedom of settlement" also for companies, which to me makes sense and it is known that some countries try to pull companies to register in their legislation with sometimes improper means. I would prefer to focus on Irish taxation, which extracts value produced elsewhere to Irish benefit. Workers rights are being unified, but that's a long c…

>c) I'm currently on garden leave period after 18 years in the company (incl acquisitions) due to a reduction, where works council produced a quite nice exit for me

Isn't this type of generosity the exact reason why German companies are making restructuring and moving jobs abroad where they don't have workers councils and such generous exit packages?

Like I'm sure it worked well for you now, but I'm wondering how sustainable this is for German companies going forward, in a more competitive business-cutthroat globalized world, that has less and less barriers for capital and trade.

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Post by kvgr »

ExpertAdvisor01 wrote: post #669
peterspath wrote: post #313

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This + only pay taxes where the company is founded, not where you live at that moment in time. That's what the personal income tax is for.. and all the other taxes payed by the individual. That way countries can compete in being the best environment for companies.

That's the dumbest stuff I've heard. This way you avoid incredibly huge amounts of taxes. There is a reason why cfc rules found their way into atad.

Yes the reason is that the countries cant compete on business infrastructure and taxes. It is basically a cartel.

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Post by cowl »

mlunar wrote: post #675
cowl wrote: post #647

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Is someone forcing you to work at a company chasing the latest fad? You go and choose the type of company you want. The keyword here being "Choice". There are plenty of workers that would not mind carring a little more risk in those companies for better pay, and those companies could offer better pay if not made to jump through loops. Classic Example is the "Consultant" contracts. Companies are paying through their n…

You are thinking of the continuity of work, colleagues, and responsibilities. Those are of course good to have, especially from the perspective of the company. But from the perspective of the individual worker, a much more important continuity is the one of salary, insurance, and pension. This is the stability that the employee continues getting at Company D.

No, What i'm thinking is Having the option to choose Salary Stability or Salary Risk. In that scenario if the employee is fired after just 2 years (worse case) because the project does not work, he is still financially better (compared to what he was getting at the "stable salary") even if it takes him 2 full years to find another job (something very unlikely if there is a dynamic employment market).

in the current scenario of contract works, the employee is getting all the negative effects of changing a job without any upside.

of course I am not talking about complete US style firing, but something in the middle. The option to fire with adequate notice let's say 3 months and adequate compensation, let's say 3 months of compensation after finishing your time. This way, the employee has 6 months of job Hunting, (I think that is a sweet spot to make it reasonable for both the company and the employee)

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Post by extraduder_ire »

patrickmcnamara wrote: post #580
jsumrall wrote: post #253

I wonder who owns this eu-inc.org website and is selling the merch. In the ToS it states: >These Terms are governed by the laws of the State of California

Yeah, I think there is some confusion in this thread. eu-inc.org isn't an official source or anything, though von der Leyen did say "EU Inc" in her speech at Davos. The European Parliament specifically mentioned not liking "incorporated" because it was American terminology preferring "Societas Europaea Unificata" instead which is pretty funny.

Reminds me of all the official sounding websites with short domain names purporting to explain the purpose and mechanisms of the GDPR, which were almost all operated by advertising companies or industry groups representing them.

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Post by extraduder_ire »

goldenarm wrote: post #311

@dang This post is an Ad for unofficial merch, profiting from an ongoing news story. Should we change the URL ? https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/da/speech... https://tech.eu/2026/01/20/the-european-commission-launches-...

@dang is a no-op. You need to email him or the other main moderator to get their attention.

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Post by egorfine »

amluto wrote: post #443
moritzwarhier wrote: post #271

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Companies are treated like persons legally and while I'm sure there is too much bureaucracy in many places, I'm also sure that there are important documents that should be required. For example to make sure that a company can be held responsible when it breaks the law. There are already enough loopholes to disconnect legal responsibility from profit-taking, and not every company is benign. Sure, if the documents cann…

In most (all?) US states, you can just start a company. You file a form, usually online, with the state, and you ask the IRS, online, for an ID number called an EIN. Technically you have a valid company after just step 1, but good luck getting any sort of bank account without doing step 2. If you want to employ people, you need to file gratuitously obnoxious paperwork, but it’s still automatic. What’s the actual prob…

> Why should it be harder?

Marx won. You should learn how easy it is to fire an employee in a software development company in Germany.

(spoiler: almost impossible)

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Post by glimshe »

dv_dt wrote: post #461
miki123211 wrote: post #344

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I think what's even more important is that the costs for founding and maintaining such an LLC should scale with revenue, including scaling to 0 . In many EU countries, you still have to pay social security and/or health insurance, even if your company brings in no revenue. This isn't supposed to be a problem, as you're not really supposed to officially start a business unless you cross specific revenue thresholds. Ho…

If they were being pragmatic about it, the more universal healthcare systems offered by many EU nations should be a massive advantage for startups vs nations like the US, but the wrong regulations around company operations negates it or worse.

I didn't want to start a healthcare discussion but employer costs with healthcare in the US can be lower than Europe labor taxes. EmployEE costs is a different thing but many startups have young employees who don't need a whole lot of healthcare in general.

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Post by glimshe »

baby wrote: post #298
academia_hack wrote: post #168

It's inordinately difficult and expensive to start an LLC or SA in some EU countries. It's even difficult and expensive to _stop_ an LLC and dissolve it. Huge amount of risk and cost on founders and a huge distraction from running a business. I think that EU-Inc _could_ be an improvement, but it needs to avoid the committee laundry list of ideas/requirements/form fields that plagues the EU startup ecosystem. My worry…

Having a startup in the US is a huge mess due to all the states and taxes, if Europe can make everything digital AND easier, it's a no brainer for us to move our company there.

There are many companies that deal with this complexity for you. Online payment processors and e-store services for instance. Source: I have an US company, sell products to all states and don't deal with this.

I think you're the first person I've ever seen in my life saying "I moved my company from the US to the EU and now my business owner life is so much easier"...

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