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Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Now Available

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Post by gizmo686 »

Jare wrote: post #53
thechut wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lots of people are quick to jump on this "Avoid the pain of Windows 8" comment but people need to relax. Their is something major being overlooked here. Ubuntu is giving away their OS for FREE. $0 Windows 8 will be cheaper than previous Windows upgrades but lets not forget about the pillars of free software and why to support it.

'Free' and 'polite' are not mutually exclusive. The first pillar of free software is not '$0 free', it's 'respect'.

I don't recall ever seeing respect as a pillar of free software. I always thought the first pillar was freedom. Canocial can be as rude as they want, but as long as they do not make it difficult for me to do what I want with their software, their software is free.

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Now Available

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Post by jw_ »

vacipr wrote: post #2

"Avoid the pain of Windows 8." Well done Canonical..well done. Here's a nice alternative for those having problems with the site. http://releases.ubuntu.com/quantal/

Avoid the trainwreck that is Metro by hopping onboard the trainwreck that is Unity!

Sorry, that slogan is a bit much given how bad the recent Ubuntu releases have been.

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Now Available

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Post by gizmo686 »

untog wrote: post #17
adamman wrote: post #12

"Avoid the pain of Windows 8" If you think Windows 8 is going to be a pain, I don't recommend moving to Ubuntu. BTW, I really like Ubuntu. I don't like that sales pitch though.

Very much so. The pain with Windows 8 is going to be the UI change- switching to Ubuntu will require a very similar adjustment to a new UI (one that, ironically, Canonical forced on a userbase that was unsure about it).

Users who upgraded ubuntu versions were able to simply select gnome from a drop down menu at the login screen. People who installed 11.04+ (I think) had to install gnome after the main installation.

Changing the default is the only way you can get rapid improvement in a market. Making it easy to switch back satisfies those who are significantly upset with the change. It is the best compromise I have seen between progress and supporting legacy users.

Also, unity only changed the desktop. The apps you run were the same. Metro has a different UI paradigm for the apps themselves.

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Now Available

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Post by wpietri »

loevborg wrote: post #43
wpietri wrote: post #20

Say, has somebody come up with a clever way for me to try this and then revert if I'd rather stick with 12.04 LTS? Besides, of course, backing up and restoring everything?

Well, what you can do is boot from a live usb stick, mount your drive, move /* to /old/ and install afresh. If everything works as desired, you can move back your /home/user directory or selectively get your home directory back. If you don't like it, move everything back. Then you only need to restore grub, which should be easily doable using a chroot from the live media.

Thanks! Alas, that means I have to deal with a fresh install. Which I may do, but it's not the straightforward things I was hoping for.

What I'm really looking for is the sort of upgrade/rollback process I'm used to creating for my production apps. One-button upgrade, one-button rollback.

Looks like Ubuntu isn't there yet. I suppose the easy thing is just to get another disk, clone my existing setup, and do the upgrade. If I don't like it, I'll just swap in the backup disk.

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Now Available

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Post by AJ007 »

georgemcbay wrote: post #42
vacipr wrote: post #2

"Avoid the pain of Windows 8." Well done Canonical..well done. Here's a nice alternative for those having problems with the site. http://releases.ubuntu.com/quantal/

"Avoid the pain of Windows 8." I've been running Windows 8 since the RTM went to MSDN. I adjusted to the cheese-moving pain of Windows 8 within a week. Four months into Ubuntu with Unity I eventually adjusted to the cheese-moving pain of Unity by switching to Mint. Ubuntu has no leg to stand on when it comes to new versions of an OS making unwanted changes to UX. [Before anyone chimes in here, I know you can set up U…

I hear you on Ubuntu, I've switched from recommending it as a Windows alternative to Mint. Linux Mint is lovely; too bad I still have a Windows dependance due to a few legacy desktop apps.

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Now Available

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Post by ashleyblackmore »

squidsoup wrote: post #61
drivebyacct2 wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I literally can't remember the last time I had driver issues in Ubuntu. The last time I had one in Linux at ALL was early Raspberry Pi builds that didn't include Broadcom drivers. And even that was easy to fix.

Ubuntu 12.10 still doesn't recognise my external Dell monitor which works without hitch in OSX. That aside, upgrading seems to have gone smoothly.

'OSX' being the operative term here. Windows is an entirely different kettle of fish. If your hardware is considered too outmoded or somehow slipped by the Windows driver dragnet, you're SOL. There are very few times I have installed Windows and _not_ had to go to another computer to get the network/wifi driver onto a USB (or CD!) and transfer it to the Windows machine so I can get the rest of the missing drivers.

Having 'Device Manager' full of yellow question marks is _common_, even in Windows 7. http://i.imgur.com/zembU.jpg Anyone who thinks otherwise either has kept their Driver CDs, has the original installation still on the machine, or is just plain lucky

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Now Available

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Post by foxhop »

vacipr wrote: post #2

"Avoid the pain of Windows 8." Well done Canonical..well done. Here's a nice alternative for those having problems with the site. http://releases.ubuntu.com/quantal/

Starting drama with the competition is a good move, it makes your company/product relevant, causes people to talk about your company/product, and shows that your product/company has personality. The term "Avoid the pain of Windows 8." is not overly offensive and does not lack class.

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Now Available

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Post by modarts »

thebigshane wrote: post #70
munchor wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a Google Drive client (just unofficial). And that is completely unrelated to Ubuntu and GNU/Linux. That is Google's fault for not caring about GNU/Linux.

I'm not sure if I agree with your finger pointing. Because it doesn't matter whose fault it is. Lack of graphics card drivers, printer drivers, etc were always the fault of the vendors, but users don't care about that. They just don't use Linux because "my printer won't work" or "it's a hassle to setup my printer". But, again, all of this isn't much of an issue anymore. (Also Google loves Linux and particularly Ubunt…

Ubuntu doesn't have the market share to justify vendors allocating resources to develop drivers for it. Not sure how that puts the vendor at "fault", it's just simple economics.

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Now Available

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Post by simplexion »

squidsoup wrote: post #61
drivebyacct2 wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I literally can't remember the last time I had driver issues in Ubuntu. The last time I had one in Linux at ALL was early Raspberry Pi builds that didn't include Broadcom drivers. And even that was easy to fix.

Ubuntu 12.10 still doesn't recognise my external Dell monitor which works without hitch in OSX. That aside, upgrading seems to have gone smoothly.

It's not recognising a monitor? That sounds more like Dell doing something very wrong, rather than Linux.
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