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Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Now Available

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"Avoid the pain of Windows 8" And say hello to the pain of not finding suitable drivers for half your devices.

I literally can't remember the last time I had driver issues in Ubuntu. The last time I had one in Linux at ALL was early Raspberry Pi builds that didn't include Broadcom drivers. And even that was easy to fix.

Ubuntu 12.10 still doesn't recognise my external Dell monitor which works without hitch in OSX. That aside, upgrading seems to have gone smoothly.

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Now Available

#62
post #38

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This is a cliched reply that would be appropriate a few years ago. Nowadays, I've found that I can install Ubuntu on more laptops and desktops and get better driver support from the initial install than even Windows can in many cases. With Windows, I've had to scrounge around for drivers and pray they're compatible with Windows 8 Professional 64bit Premium Plus Bonus edition on the same laptops.

My list so far: No official Google Drive[0] support (but we do have Dropbox) No official Garmin Connect[1] support All in all, that's not bad. All monitors, ebook readers, mp3 players, cameras, printers, wifi, mice/keyboards have all been perfect out of the box for years (for me). [0]: http://askubuntu.com/questions/161273/is-there-a-google-driv... [1]: http://askubuntu.com/questions/505/how-can-i-use-my-garmin-d...

There is a Google Drive client (just unofficial). And that is completely unrelated to Ubuntu and GNU/Linux. That is Google's fault for not caring about GNU/Linux.

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Now Available

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Forgive me, but I don't know what you mean by "cheese-moving pain". Two questions: first, is this a well-known term that I've just not run across? And second, what do you mean by it? (And if the answer to 1 is "no" then, WTH?)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_Moved_My_Cheese

Interesting. Have you read the book? Wondering if I could use something out of this for clients who fear the change (be it UI, UX, process)

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Now Available

#64

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Uhm, don't do an inplace upgrade anyway, they suck. If you have /home on another drive, there's no "backup" or "restore" stage.

No they don't suck, they rock. This isn't windows, and I shouldn't have to lost my setup to upgrade to the latest distro.

Yes, they do suck. I regularly see and help people that are dealing with broken systems because of stalled/incomplete/broken in place upgrades.

Regardless, it's easy to not lose your setup, run the latest OS AND not do in-place upgrades.

Just put /home on a separate partition and you're done. Use dpkg to make a list and restore a list of applications (same with repos). A few files to backup and a few minutes to wait for the apps to redownload. Completely clean system. Same apps. All the while /home was untouched.

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Now Available

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_Moved_My_Cheese

Interesting. Have you read the book? Wondering if I could use something out of this for clients who fear the change (be it UI, UX, process)

I've never read the book the phrase comes from actually, so I can't speak to it directly. I'm only aware of the phrase "moving the cheese" because it has become a bit of a meme over the past few years in development/IT (this may be a regional thing).

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Now Available

#67
post #37

"Avoid the pain of Windows 8" And say hello to the pain of not finding suitable drivers for half your devices.

This a common myth. I'm going to assume that you don't tinker with your machines often. Whenever I do a fresh install of Windows, I go on a wild goose chase for drivers.

The current Linux kernel supports more devices than any single Windows release. Linux also supports more legacy devices than Windows Vista or Windows 7 and supports numerous architectures not supported at all by Windows.

In the case when there's no support for certain hardware, it's often the manufacturers who are at fault. They don't spend the resources to create the drivers or they make it difficult for the Linux community to make them.

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Now Available

#68
post #67
post #37

"Avoid the pain of Windows 8" And say hello to the pain of not finding suitable drivers for half your devices.

This a common myth. I'm going to assume that you don't tinker with your machines often. Whenever I do a fresh install of Windows, I go on a wild goose chase for drivers. The current Linux kernel supports more devices than any single Windows release. Linux also supports more legacy devices than Windows Vista or Windows 7 and supports numerous architectures not supported at all by Windows. In the case when there's no s…

Support for devices is generally ok. Things will generally "work". However, configuring the devices can be an extreme pain. An example, which is trivial in OS X and Windows, is tablet drivers. In order to adjust sensitivity on my bamboo tablet in Ubuntu, I had to make adjustments via the command line after adding PPAs, installing packages, and fiddling around with values for over an hour. Don't get me wrong, I love the command line, but some things just shouldn't have to be done there.

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Now Available

#69
post #5

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Stabbing others in the back is no way to behave, especially when they're pumping what the user types in the launcher straight at amazon and closing bugs when people complain that their launcher commands are showing inappropriate images.

>especially when they're pumping what the user types in the launcher straight at amazon and closing bugs when people complain that their launcher commands are showing inappropriate images That objection doesn't make any sense because those complaints are unrelated to the complaints people have about Windows 8. If you want to say that directly attacking your competition is un-classy, fine (although a better criticism…

I'm making a couple of points in that comment:

1. Attacking your competition is definitely not classy.

2. The suddly introduced shortcomings of Ubuntu are being ignored and regularly hidden away under the wave of marketing from (1).

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Now Available

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post #62

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My list so far: No official Google Drive[0] support (but we do have Dropbox) No official Garmin Connect[1] support All in all, that's not bad. All monitors, ebook readers, mp3 players, cameras, printers, wifi, mice/keyboards have all been perfect out of the box for years (for me). [0]: http://askubuntu.com/questions/161273/is-there-a-google-driv... [1]: http://askubuntu.com/questions/505/how-can-i-use-my-garmin-d...

There is a Google Drive client (just unofficial). And that is completely unrelated to Ubuntu and GNU/Linux. That is Google's fault for not caring about GNU/Linux.

I'm not sure if I agree with your finger pointing. Because it doesn't matter whose fault it is. Lack of graphics card drivers, printer drivers, etc were always the fault of the vendors, but users don't care about that. They just don't use Linux because "my printer won't work" or "it's a hassle to setup my printer".

But, again, all of this isn't much of an issue anymore.

(Also Google loves Linux and particularly Ubuntu. I'm not sure why they are dragging their feet on Google Drive but it's not because they don't care)

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