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Re: EU–INC – A new pan-European legal entity

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Post by direwolf20 »

pjc50 wrote: post #327
hijodelsol wrote: post #299

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I agree. The notary process is a bit annoying, but it only costs 500-1,000 euros. Yes, that's not ideal, but if you're building a proper business, that shouldn't be an issue. You can typically get an appointment within a week, no matter where you are or where your company is registered. However, once the notary sends your documents off, it can take days or weeks for the registry courts to handle them. You have to reg…

In the UK there's an API https://developer.company-information.service.gov.uk/overvie... and it costs £50. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/companies-house-f... Why is Germany ten times less efficient?

Germany really wants you to be a sole trader with unlimited liability, and treats a liability shield as something you shouldn't have.

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Post by ost-ing »

askonomm wrote: post #309
tietjens wrote: post #295

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90s is charitable. Most important thing here is that nothing changes. Everything new is considered suspicious.

The weird thing is that, at least as an Estonian, I would've never expected this from Germany. Italy, Spain? Sure. Germany? That just feels weird.

Germany never thought it would be in the current situation - decaying health care, pension system, cornerstone industry in decline, lack of digitalization, the list goes on. Massive reforms are needed, action is needed, but there is too much inertia in the system to change anything quickly.

Smaller countries like Estonia have the ability to be much more nimble.

Re: EU–INC – A new pan-European legal entity

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Post by graemep »

eclat wrote: post #240
graemep wrote: post #102

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Its obviously EU - so not the UK, or Norway or Switzerland or Russia... I agree it is Eu-wide or pan-EU rather than pan European. Its probably not going to solve the problems it sets out to given all the differences between EU countries legal systems, tax, regulation etc.

EEA applicability might be less obvious than you imply however.

The integrated taxes would be a very big step for the EEA, so would common company law and governance for these entities.

That said I think the headline proposal (single entity type and single registrar) is not important. The UK and (AFAIK) the US have few practical difficulties with multiple registrars and variations between jurisdictions.

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Post by miroljub »

sevenzero wrote: post #325
tietjens wrote: post #290

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> Massive German tax money is already today used for non-national interests. Please elaborate. You're complaining that DE tax funds go to the EU? Very curious what you're talking about and your rational.

It's one of the idiotic "our tax money is spent for bicycle lanes in foreign countries" mindsets many right wingers share in Germany.

Just because you accusse people to be "right wingers" because they don't want to fund bicycle lanes in foreign countries doesn't make them wrong.

If you want to fund bicycle lanes in foreign countries, go start a fund an fund them privately.

For the people that don't know the topic:

- yes, German taxpayers are indeed funding bicycle lanes in foreign countries

- it's not the only waste of money going to foreign countries

And additional questions:

- since when is it forbidden to complain against the waste of tax money?

- how does favouring tax cuts instead of tax money waste makes you a "right wing"?

Re: EU–INC – A new pan-European legal entity

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Post by embedding-shape »

jagrsw wrote: post #361
Bewelge wrote: post #326

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German here. That's not true. What crazy documentation do you require? An ID, proof of residence, and a business plan? (edit: you don't even need a business plan) That being said, everything about the process is annoying and you always have the feeling that you're doing something wrong or forgetting something. Together with some ridiculously slow processing times, it's the perfect combination to frustrate you and I'm…

I don't know much about corporations, but why business plans are needed at all? I mean, for EU citizens. bank (loans), immigration and investors can be interested, but their interests are not covering every corporation out there.

It's basically a proof of "most basic effort" that you're serious. You could probably note down some stuff on a single A4 and get it approved, it doesn't have to be a 40 page dossier.

Kind of like fizzbuzz, just something really simple and most basic to get rid of the "easy scams" and so on.

Edit: So "easy scams" are probably the wrong word, I initially wrote "riffraff" because in my mothertoungue that isn't so... disparaging, but what I meant was that it's used as "bare minimum filter" basically.

Re: EU–INC – A new pan-European legal entity

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Post by torginus »

academia_hack wrote: post #168

It's inordinately difficult and expensive to start an LLC or SA in some EU countries. It's even difficult and expensive to _stop_ an LLC and dissolve it. Huge amount of risk and cost on founders and a huge distraction from running a business. I think that EU-Inc _could_ be an improvement, but it needs to avoid the committee laundry list of ideas/requirements/form fields that plagues the EU startup ecosystem. My worry…

Is this a true problem in EU (or indeed anywhere)? I don't think starting a company is the bottleneck, it's mostly the inordinate amount of regulations one has to comply with, as well as the strenuous laws around letting workers go, while making people work as contractors being also frowned upon.

I'm not sure how any one these is going to change.

Re: EU–INC – A new pan-European legal entity

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Post by MrJobbo »

embedding-shape wrote: post #224
whateverboat wrote: post #213

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What about Luxembourg?

If you have to setup a company today, and want the easiest path to EU-wide SaaS, probably Estonia is the way to go, very easy for EU citizens (don't know how the experience would be from outside, if it's even possible).

Too bad that Estonia won't exist after 2027...Russia will gobble it up alongside Latvia and Lithuania.

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Post by usrnm »

askonomm wrote: post #309
tietjens wrote: post #295

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90s is charitable. Most important thing here is that nothing changes. Everything new is considered suspicious.

The weird thing is that, at least as an Estonian, I would've never expected this from Germany. Italy, Spain? Sure. Germany? That just feels weird.

Just wait until you try to use their trains

Re: EU–INC – A new pan-European legal entity

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Post by sevenzero »

miroljub wrote: post #374
sevenzero wrote: post #325

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It's one of the idiotic "our tax money is spent for bicycle lanes in foreign countries" mindsets many right wingers share in Germany.

Just because you accusse people to be "right wingers" because they don't want to fund bicycle lanes in foreign countries doesn't make them wrong. If you want to fund bicycle lanes in foreign countries, go start a fund an fund them privately. For the people that don't know the topic: - yes, German taxpayers are indeed funding bicycle lanes in foreign countries - it's not the only waste of money going to foreign countr…

What people like you dont understand is what we get back from investing into foreign countries. We dont just build bicycle lanes there because we are such nice people.

Re: EU–INC – A new pan-European legal entity

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Post by bmicraft »

apexalpha wrote: post #252

As a Dutch person I never understood this push until someone told me (and this is true in 2026!!!) that if you open a LLC (Gmbh?) in Germany you have to physically go to the notary and have a person READ OUT all the statutes to you. The whole process including banks accounts etc... can apparently take months in total. Personally I would not create "EU-INC" but just make all local entities legal in every country. Then…

> Personally I would not create "EU-INC" but just make all local entities legal in every country. Then countries could compete to be the best system to attract companies and entrepreneurs.

Like the current downward spiral of US states competing who can have the lowest corporate tax while letting their infrastructure crumble? But hey, that's a long term thing and we don't think about those. Only which companies move to my state in the next year/quarter/month.

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