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Apple testing new App Store design that blurs the line between ads and results

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Re: Apple testing new App Store design that blurs the line between ads and results

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Post by kakacik »

Andaith wrote: post #169
andsoitis wrote: post #154

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You don’t think the hardware and software ecosystem are superior to the competition?

Not OP, but I think they still have the lead in hardware. However, I'm using an iPhone 14 which apparently released 4 years ago now, and it's still plenty fast enough for all my needs. If it lasts another 4 years, I won't update. That's probably their problem. Do I think the software ecosystem is superior? I _hate_ using the app store with a passion. I _hate_ trying to find an app for my needs(most recently a gym app…

Any 4 year old medium range Android phone is mighty fine these days, ie Samsungs just keep chugging, mine S22 ultra still has fine battery and rest is like new and I've seen the same for lower tiers. Market won't allow much gap anymore

Re: Apple testing new App Store design that blurs the line between ads and results

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Post by GrowingSideways »

6510 wrote: post #313
GrowingSideways wrote: post #37

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What does it imply that the other term does not? Enshitification is the inevitable result of the tendency of profit to revert to zero. This is basic schumpeter (not to mention marx).

One is the result the other is the process.

Ok, but what is the distinction between the two terms?

Re: Apple testing new App Store design that blurs the line between ads and results

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Post by alt227 »

alex1138 wrote: post #402
alt227 wrote: post #372

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This is also very easy to do on Android. IOS devices are not magic in their ability to block Facebook tracking.

Perhaps, though Apple outright revoked FB's certificate after the Onavo nonsense, that counts for something

Yeah and why did they do that?

People think its because Apple are looking after you.

In reality its because it allowed Facebook to target Ads at Apple users. Something Apple fiercly guards the privilage of doing only for itself.

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Post by tartoran »

hsbauauvhabzb wrote: post #268
tartoran wrote: post #109

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If the vast majority of people recognized ads and skipped them as more technically minded people do, they'd either not do that or step up a notch and make them even harder to spot. The reality is that these dark patterns do work for a large part of the users. We're the lucky few who can stay away though it is taxing and tiring.

Or at least we’re arrogant enough to think it doesn’t affect us.

It does affect us quite a bit. This situation makes us have to think hard, makes us be very wary of what we click on or read and sometimes bites us as well. I personally find ads extremely tiring such that I mostly avoid add riddled products/sites and always use ad blockers. Quite on the contrary, the vast majority of users aren't even bothered by ads, they've been accustomed to them. My main point of the comment wasn't to be arrogant but to say that most users don't care.

Re: Apple testing new App Store design that blurs the line between ads and results

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Post by tartoran »

gnatman wrote: post #407
mikkupikku wrote: post #326

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The sickening truth is that most normals don't turn their attention in another way even when they recognize an ad for what it is.

Why should they if they’re buying some commoditized item on amazon, for example? I bought an ergonomic ice pack for my knee this morning, something I couldn’t find in the store near my house. Why should I scroll past the first, cheapest, decent looking item that meets my needs? As a moral duty, perhaps. At any rate, advertisement doesn’t necessarily mean scam.

When you pay for an advertised product you're also paying for their advertising budget hence most likely not the best price/quality. Sure, not 100% true all the time, sometimes there's a liquidation of stock or something like that.

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Post by kilroy123 »

leokennis wrote: post #292
atonse wrote: post #8

More and more evidence that the a-holes with spreadsheets are taking over at Apple and they’re completely devoid of any ideas on the software side. I heard someone randomly say that they should replace Tim Cook with Scott Forstall. I chuckled at the idea but this might be a great idea. Apple is having its Ballmer moment. Google did too before AI lit the fire under their feet. Who is going to be Apple’s next Nadella?…

I have slowly but steadily made myself not rely on Apple anymore: files moved to NextCloud, mail and calendars moved to Fastmail, etc. Platform agnostic choices, because clearly Apple is not to be trusted anymore as the guardian of good taste, and also not anymore as the guardian of acceptable morals (i.e. the insane sucking up to the Great Orange leader). There are still some services I need to move (mainly, music a…

That's the way. I just badly wish we had more than iOS and Android. We need more competition.

Linux phones are just not a realistic thing yet.

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Post by metalliqaz »

dymk wrote: post #409
torben-friis wrote: post #311

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>It's shocking that Apple hasn't done this trick yet when everyone else started doing it years ago. They sell a walled garden. If shit gets inside the walls, we might as well come out. I’m not willing to pay the apple tax any longer. Let the ad sellers pay if they’re the main costumers.

It’s still better than the alternatives

I think that may depend a lot on just what you're used to.

Having never been in there, I can't imagine buying in now.

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Post by bevr1337 »

bool3max wrote: post #90
mdasen wrote: post #21

This is what basically everyone else has done over the past decade. Google used to put a different background behind ads in its search ( https://www.fsedigital.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/Google... ). It made it really easy to tell what was an ad and skip over it quickly. Now it's a lot harder to quickly notice what's an ad and what isn't. Sites used to have banner ads. Now they show posts that look exactly like t…

What’s interesting to me is that no matter how “hidden” the AD indicator may be, my brain always seems to very quickly train itself to swiftly skip such posts when scrolling/browsing. Or I could simply be another clueless victim of advertising. If only I could know the number of sponsored posts I never consciously acknowledge and am influenced by on the daily.

"I can always tell when someone is lying to me."

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Post by pjmlp »

latexr wrote: post #393
pjmlp wrote: post #348

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Try to use Quicktime, Quicktime3D, QuicktimeVR on Tahoe, with their Mac OS 9 API surface. Or Java Bridge, Carbon, AGL for some more recent on OS X timeframe. An example on Github compiling on Tahoe is welcomed. Nope, "Apple does keep supporting old APIs indefinitely.". doesn't stand.

> with their Mac OS 9 API surface Oh, come on, that’s just bad faith arguing. “Indefinitely” does not mean “forever”. When an API stops working because the OS around it fundamentally changes, that‘s understandable. But they don’t usually break something they deprecated just because it was deprecated, those keep working. > An example on Github compiling on Tahoe is welcomed. Sure, buddy, I’ll get right on it. I’ve bee…

You are free to pick one from my OS X examples, after all they are supposed to be working and supported by Apple in recent versions, as per your wording.

A sample for Sequoia will do as well.

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Post by lorddumpy »

visarga wrote: post #285
MaxL93 wrote: post #117

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The same thing is happening on the Android side. If you've made a game, it doesn't matter how high quality it is, how many awards it has won, etc. The only thing that matters is that it's live service, that it doesn't "have an end", that it can drive engagement and perpetual revenue. Quite a few testimonies from game devs: according to them, Google representatives pretty much told them this. See also: the requirement…

I see a parallel to how Google search created incentives for SEO and social network feeds created incentive for attention grabbing slop. Platforms optimizing for their own interest at the expense of both upstream and downstream. Is there any platform that does not use these dark patterns? I hope the agent era will allow users to bypass the crappy search responses and slop on feeds. But by the looks of it OpenAI is mo…

Not a full platform, but F-Droid is the only app-store I know that feels customer first and isn't predatory.
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