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Apple testing new App Store design that blurs the line between ads and results

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Re: Apple testing new App Store design that blurs the line between ads and results

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Post by Dylan16807 »

rchaud wrote: post #155
user205738 wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The MBA was designed for those who did not want to study or could not master economics.(/jk or isn't)

So what if it is? A Master's in Economics gets you diddly squat in the job market whereas an MBA opens doors everywhere. You could get a PhD in Economics and still only work at a university, your country's central bank or at a stretch, the IMF or the World Bank, which are hardly held up as the pinnacle of professional development. And even then they'd only take you if you studied monetary economics.

They're not criticizing someone for seeing the appeal of an MBA, they're criticizing that an MBA has those factors in the first place. It shouldn't be the degree you pick to open doors.

Re: Apple testing new App Store design that blurs the line between ads and results

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Post by submeta »

Do people actually browse the App Store to discover what’s new? I personally only open it when I already know exactly what I want to download, for example Obsidian or Firefox. I search, install, and I am done. I never scroll around or browse for inspiration.

I am genuinely curious how others use it. Is App Store browsing a real behavior, or is discovery mostly being forced because search no longer reliably gets you to the thing you already know you want?

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Post by iwontberude »

iwontberude wrote: post #70
atonse wrote: post #8

More and more evidence that the a-holes with spreadsheets are taking over at Apple and they’re completely devoid of any ideas on the software side. I heard someone randomly say that they should replace Tim Cook with Scott Forstall. I chuckled at the idea but this might be a great idea. Apple is having its Ballmer moment. Google did too before AI lit the fire under their feet. Who is going to be Apple’s next Nadella?…

Forstall was an enshittefier too. Apple Maps was exactly what we are talking about.

I mean, we had gps nav that worked and Apple maps would instead tell people to go down railroads but okay downvote me.

Re: Apple testing new App Store design that blurs the line between ads and results

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Post by [deleted] »

VerifiedReports wrote: post #255
apparent wrote: post #252

The search results in the App Store are ridiculous. Sometimes I search for an app by name and have to scroll through dozens of other apps before finding the one I had searched for. App Store search is as broken as Apple Mail search, if not worse.

Amen. App-store search is an offense sham, wasting users' time and stealing from developers. And +1 to pitiful Mail search. But Apple has long suffered from a peculiar learning disability in regard to search. Not only does Finder fail to find files matching search strings that it's showing you IN THE CURRENT DIRECTORY... but both Finder and Spotlight provide no option to include WHERE it found stuff in search results…

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Post by visarga »

MaxL93 wrote: post #117
rgovostes wrote: post #104

This makes no difference, because I can’t remember the last time I installed an app other than for the occasional airline. From 2008-12 it was genuinely exciting to see what new apps were being released every day. Mobile games from that era had cultural impact. I bought $2 apps without a thought. But Apple incentivized monetization above all else and killed that excitement. Now you can’t find a tip calculator that do…

The same thing is happening on the Android side. If you've made a game, it doesn't matter how high quality it is, how many awards it has won, etc. The only thing that matters is that it's live service, that it doesn't "have an end", that it can drive engagement and perpetual revenue. Quite a few testimonies from game devs: according to them, Google representatives pretty much told them this. See also: the requirement…

I see a parallel to how Google search created incentives for SEO and social network feeds created incentive for attention grabbing slop. Platforms optimizing for their own interest at the expense of both upstream and downstream.

Is there any platform that does not use these dark patterns? I hope the agent era will allow users to bypass the crappy search responses and slop on feeds. But by the looks of it OpenAI is moving in the same conflict of interest direction to its users.

Re: Apple testing new App Store design that blurs the line between ads and results

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Post by miroljub »

apparent wrote: post #252

The search results in the App Store are ridiculous. Sometimes I search for an app by name and have to scroll through dozens of other apps before finding the one I had searched for. App Store search is as broken as Apple Mail search, if not worse.

> App Store search is as broken as Apple Mail search, if not worse.

That means App Store search is not broken by malice but by incompetence. Apple just don't know how to implement search.

Re: Apple testing new App Store design that blurs the line between ads and results

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Post by Dylan16807 »

morshu9001 wrote: post #233
nvader wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Paragraph two of the article is: > This means the only differentiator between organic results and the promoted ad is the presence of the small ‘Ad’ banner next to the app icon. If it's that easy to fail to notice a paragraph, how much easier would it be to miss just the word 'Ad'?

I wasn't there to read the text, the screenshots say everything. Thought I was looking at the wrong pic cause it seemed obvious.

> I wasn't there to read the text, the screenshots say everything.

That's the exact kind of attitude that will make people miss an "obvious" marker.

And I wouldn't call that tiny thing on the third row of text obvious. Even knowing it said 'ad' somewhere, it took me several tries to find it.

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Post by asimovDev »

raincole wrote: post #242
mvdtnz wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I get where you're coming from and your examples are egregiously expensive, but do we really want to live in a world where software is valued at a $2 one-time payment? We shouldn't be engaging in a race to the bottom like that.

No, but I want to live in a world where software can be 'done.' With very occasional security updates perhaps. I don't want to justify why my pomodoro timer needs a subscription model with constant updates.

Apple is not good with backwards compatibility to my knowledge. If you buy a 'done' app it's basically a subscription (albeit much cheaper) for maybe 2-3 years because a yearly iOS update will most likely introduce breaking changes, as someone below me already outlined.

Re: Apple testing new App Store design that blurs the line between ads and results

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Post by kalleboo »

elnerd wrote: post #279

In related news, 10% of Meta ads are malicious, and they have Meta seems to have little incentive to stop it. https://www.reuters.com/investigations/meta-is-earning-fortu...

Today a friend of mine literally got an ad for a prostitute on Instagram. They've just completely given up about even pretending to care.
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