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Re: Starlink users must opt out of all browsing data being used to train xAI models

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Post by estimator7292 »

watwut wrote: post #19
xp84 wrote: post #14

https://x.com/scottbuscemi/status/2013397238568099843?s=20 last item here seems to indicate that the OP tweet is a (bad faith?) overly broad reading. The "in accordance with our privacy policy" link part is showing right there in that original tweet, and doesn't seem to have been checked. I know a lot of people think Musk is simply a mustachio-twirling comic book villain so there's not a lot of critical thinking ever…

> , to think they could just train on all browsing data and that people would be chill about it. I mean, he does think he can do what he wants with impunity and track record is that yes, he can. He thinks that asking his bot to not produce child porn is an imposition, for example.

Right? What an insane statement. Of course Musk thinks he can do this with impunity. He thinks he has the absolute right to do anything he wants.

Re: Starlink users must opt out of all browsing data being used to train xAI models

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Post by Nextgrid »

blacksmith_tb wrote: post #4
metalman wrote: post #3

I was on the fence with switching to starlink from cellular data, but I realy cant stand the idea of a wrestling match with another giant corporation, weaponising "may", might", "occasionaly", "certain terms and conditions", "reserve the right to" better the perv I know then some new more ambitios one.

It's gross, but of course we think many ISPs are abusive in similar ways? I haven't ever used a Starlink connection, I wonder if their latency a problem for VPNs or tunneling.

> many ISPs are abusive in similar ways?

Indeed that is the case - all the other major consumer ISPs have ties with media companies and have much more incentive to collect and abuse user data than Starlink does.

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Post by nar001 »

tucnak wrote: post #18
random3 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

why do you think buying twitter was dumb?

One curious thing is they SOLD it to him.

They sold it for a lot more than it was actually worth, got actual cash from it and got a return on their investment, why wouldn't they have sold? Twitter was barely profitable when he bought it, not selling would've been crazy.

Re: Starlink users must opt out of all browsing data being used to train xAI models

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Post by yencabulator »

tyingq wrote: post #8
blacksmith_tb wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's gross, but of course we think many ISPs are abusive in similar ways? I haven't ever used a Starlink connection, I wonder if their latency a problem for VPNs or tunneling.

They say 20-60ms, users seem to report 30-200ms. Seems very dependent on where you're at.

Consistent 25-35ms to 1.1.1.1. You won't see >60ms unless you're deprioritized, and that's about your choice of plan not about what the network can do.

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Post by tyingq »

yencabulator wrote: post #24
tyingq wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They say 20-60ms, users seem to report 30-200ms. Seems very dependent on where you're at.

Consistent 25-35ms to 1.1.1.1. You won't see >60ms unless you're deprioritized, and that's about your choice of plan not about what the network can do.

I would be surprised there are not some amount of oversubscribed geo areas, or remote spots with longer paths, etc.

It does seem good for many, just perhaps not all.

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Post by proactivesvcs »

xp84 wrote: post #14

https://x.com/scottbuscemi/status/2013397238568099843?s=20 last item here seems to indicate that the OP tweet is a (bad faith?) overly broad reading. The "in accordance with our privacy policy" link part is showing right there in that original tweet, and doesn't seem to have been checked. I know a lot of people think Musk is simply a mustachio-twirling comic book villain so there's not a lot of critical thinking ever…

The UK's BT Broadband did this around 2007 via Phorm. Actually they did worse - used the data to inject custom advertising. Not only were their customers chill with it, so was the Information Commissioner's Office, the government arm that ostensibly protects our privacy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phorm

Re: Starlink users must opt out of all browsing data being used to train xAI models

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Post by Mossly »

blacksmith_tb wrote: post #4
metalman wrote: post #3

I was on the fence with switching to starlink from cellular data, but I realy cant stand the idea of a wrestling match with another giant corporation, weaponising "may", might", "occasionaly", "certain terms and conditions", "reserve the right to" better the perv I know then some new more ambitios one.

It's gross, but of course we think many ISPs are abusive in similar ways? I haven't ever used a Starlink connection, I wonder if their latency a problem for VPNs or tunneling.

I've recently spent a few hundred hours playing Arc Raiders on Starlink from a small island in the Pacific. ~80ms ping to Australian servers is pretty mindblowing. Jitter and packet loss also tend to be insignificant in the absence of obstructions.

My home server back in New Zealand is behind CGNAT and I had issues with high birate (>25Mbps) HTTPS streaming over Tailscale. I suspect MTU size causing packet fragmentation combined with DERP relay fallback under CGNAT was the culprit, but that's outside my expertise to diagnose fully.

Reverse proxying to a VPS in Sydney with Pangolin achieved much better performance, almost 100Mbps over WebDAV. Somewhere inbetween I tried SMB over Cloudflare WARP (~70Mbps), but allowing Cloudflare to terminate TLS seemed incongruent with self-hosting everything else.

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Post by maxerickson »

xp84 wrote: post #14

https://x.com/scottbuscemi/status/2013397238568099843?s=20 last item here seems to indicate that the OP tweet is a (bad faith?) overly broad reading. The "in accordance with our privacy policy" link part is showing right there in that original tweet, and doesn't seem to have been checked. I know a lot of people think Musk is simply a mustachio-twirling comic book villain so there's not a lot of critical thinking ever…

Pretty hilarious that they call enabled by default "opt in".

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Post by xp84 »

watwut wrote: post #19
xp84 wrote: post #14

https://x.com/scottbuscemi/status/2013397238568099843?s=20 last item here seems to indicate that the OP tweet is a (bad faith?) overly broad reading. The "in accordance with our privacy policy" link part is showing right there in that original tweet, and doesn't seem to have been checked. I know a lot of people think Musk is simply a mustachio-twirling comic book villain so there's not a lot of critical thinking ever…

> , to think they could just train on all browsing data and that people would be chill about it. I mean, he does think he can do what he wants with impunity and track record is that yes, he can. He thinks that asking his bot to not produce child porn is an imposition, for example.

How is ai-produced "porn" different than hentai? We're getting very divorced from the reason CSAM is illegal in the first place.

The previous status quo was that skilled digital artists could easily produce fake porn with real people's faces pasted on using Photohop. Now, lots of people can cheaply produce the same. So? Eventually, the dumber people will come around to where most of us are, which is understanding that obviously the existence of an image of a thing is not proof of the existence of the thing itself, and we can stop pearl-clutching about what weirdos make fake AI pictures of, just like we don't have to care what some weirdo doodles in the privacy of their own home.

Re: Starlink users must opt out of all browsing data being used to train xAI models

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Post by xp84 »

random3 wrote: post #17
xp84 wrote: post #14

https://x.com/scottbuscemi/status/2013397238568099843?s=20 last item here seems to indicate that the OP tweet is a (bad faith?) overly broad reading. The "in accordance with our privacy policy" link part is showing right there in that original tweet, and doesn't seem to have been checked. I know a lot of people think Musk is simply a mustachio-twirling comic book villain so there's not a lot of critical thinking ever…

why do you think buying twitter was dumb?

Because it was a massive money pit that was already failing. If he wanted to have a microblogging site at x.com he could have built one at x.com and paid everyone interesting to use it for a year, for far less than he paid for Twitter.
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