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Re: AWS European Sovereign Cloud

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Post by senderista »

brunkerhart wrote: post #60

This discussion presumes the laws would be obeyed, but we see the laws being openly bended by nations wanting to. For a small/medium business in EU ESC is an overkill. Their data has no strategic value. Just use whatever infrastructure you want. For any large company working at global level, owning cutting edge technology ESC is not a protection. US just stolen a president of foreign country, do you really believe th…

The rule of law no longer exists in the US. The regime is bragging that an officer who killed a woman on camera won’t even be investigated. And even if there were an investigation or even a criminal conviction, it would just be voided using the executive pardon power. Everyone committing federal crimes on behalf of the regime has de facto absolute immunity for this reason.

Re: AWS European Sovereign Cloud

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Post by meeshmuesh »

crazygringo wrote: post #64
timeon wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> so there's nothing we can do And US law will just let it go? There are several options for AWS. They can simply just obfuscate command to local employees. Or fly US employees there just for this one task. "EU law" will find out after they are back in US - if ever. There is no way to escape CLOUD Act if it is US owned.

"Obfuscating commands" isn't a thing. EU employees know if they are retrieving data or not. And they don't blindly run commands like they're dummies or something. And if they fly American employees over, what makes you think they'd be let in the building, or under what credentials do you think they'd be accessing the system? Legally speaking, those Americans are simply from a partner company. Just because you're doin…

It will use the same software infrastructure and physical hardware that’s used in the rest of AWS. Hooped confident are you that he partitions are resilient enough ?

Can engineers be dual eu/us citizens ? AWS uses a lot of ex military and US citizens with government clearance levels for their US govcloud. I don’t see an equivalent here

Amazon can promise the moon and the sky but if I wanted digital sovereignty within the eu it would not be with Amazon any more than I would trust tencent

Re: AWS European Sovereign Cloud

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Post by meeshmuesh »

donavanm wrote: post #52
DevelopingElk wrote: post #23

I worked on a team deploying a service to European Sovereign Cloud (ESC). Disclaimer - I am a low level SDE and all opinions are my own. AWS has set up proper boundaries between ESC and global AWS. Since I'm based out of the US I can't see anything going on in ECS even in the service we develop. To fix an issue there we have to play telephone with an engineer in ESC where they give us a summary of the issue or debug…

If youre a current AMZN employee you may want to delete or heavily edit this post. Go check your employers “social media policy.” Historically commenting on operational or internal aspects without PR approval was prohibited.

While it’s good to remain anonymous to avoid reprisals , once that’s done no one should care about upsetting their employer in an open forum. Despite what a corporation says they don’t own you, your thoughts or your voice.

Re: AWS European Sovereign Cloud

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Post by meeshmuesh »

cperciva wrote: post #14
voidfunc wrote: post #7

Sovereign-by-design but still runs a software stack that is largely written and maintained by a US staff... All of these isolation sovereignty iniatives are window dressing to the bigger problem that the EU and other countries are massively dependent on proprietaey US-centric software stacks.

Sovereign-by-design but still runs a software stack that is largely written and maintained by a US staff... Not as much as you might think. The most important component -- Nitro -- basically runs out of Germany.

Networking, firewalls, all infra OS including encryption is developed in the USA. Nitro is just one component and not necessarily the most important

Re: AWS European Sovereign Cloud

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Post by kassner »

rich_sasha wrote: post #59

In other news, wolves have set up a vegan restaurant for sheep. The chefs have been specially instructed not to eat their guests, the grass is 100% organic. Mint sauce is kept well out of sight. The heavy duty locks on the doors will definitely not be used and the red stains are from beetroot. Definitely beetroot. Seriously though, what is stopping Europeans to "just build their own"? EU could provide some form of fi…

There are some EU cloud providers that try (OVH, Scaleway, Hetzner, Upcloud, Evroc), but AWS is a product 20+ years in the making and only in the last 5 that people are really opening their eyes to the sovereignty problem. And even if those providers did have the money and regulation breaks AWS had, today is a much different market than the one AWS grew up with, in which there wasn’t an incumbent and they were leading the market. Nowadays everyone has to be at least similar to AWS for people to consider it, and I feel sovereignty alone is not enough.

In other words: making a cloud provider isn’t that difficult, making a cloud provider that people will use INSTEAD OF AWS is an exponentially harder problem.

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