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Re: The Nobel Prize and the Laureate Are Inseparable

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Post by tombert »

ripe wrote: post #137
tombert wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He got the prize before he did much mongering though. Also he didn’t try to overthrow an election he lost.

> He got the prize before he did much mongering though. He and Nixon did plenty of mongering already in 1971, when they firmly backed and tried to cover up Pakistan's military atrocities in what is now Bangladesh. 10 million refugees didn’t prevent the Nobel committe from giving him the prize in 1973.

I think you might be replying to the wrong comment. I was talking about Obama. I do not believe Obama was doing a lot with Nixon in 1971, considering he would have been like 10 years old at that point.

Not defending Kissinger at all.

Re: The Nobel Prize and the Laureate Are Inseparable

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Post by kzrdude »

vjvjvjvjghv wrote: post #67

The whole situation is a disgrace for all involved. It's blatantly obvious that Machado is trying to suck up to Trump. I bet she will get nothing out of it. And Trump looks like a complete fool. Maybe it's time to shut down the peace nobel prize. Too many questionable winners like Arafat, Obama (for what did the get it?), Kissinger, now Machado. On the bright side, I always wanted to get a physics noble prize. I thin…

To borrow an idea from xkcd, maybe the $5 wrench method is the most likely way.

Re: The Nobel Prize and the Laureate Are Inseparable

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Post by Normal_gaussian »

pletnes wrote: post #111
istjohn wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, it's not the first extremely questionable Nobel Peace Prize award, for example, Henry Kissinger. While not nearly as egregious, Barack Obama was a bizarre choice, too.

I cannot recall Obama doing one single thing for peace internationally? Which conflict did he help stop?

Lifting quotes liberally from the wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Nobel_Peace_Prize

> "We have not given the prize for what may happen in the future. We are awarding Obama for what he has done in the past year. And we are hoping this may contribute a little bit for what he is trying to do,"

> Jagland said the committee was influenced by a speech Obama gave about Islam in Cairo in June 2009, the president's efforts to prevent nuclear proliferation and climate change, and Obama's support for using established international bodies such as the United Nations to pursue foreign policy goals.

> Nominations for the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize closed just 11 days after Obama took office.

Obama entered office on Jan 20th; was nominated before February; was announced in October; and it was justified by actions he'd taken between nomination and announcement.

Obama's own acceptance speech included

> "perhaps the most profound issue surrounding my receipt of this prize is the fact that I am the commander-in-chief of the military of a nation in the midst of two wars."

It does seem like a bizarre choice, and it does seem like an attempt to raise the awards profile which has meaningfully cheapened it.

Re: The Nobel Prize and the Laureate Are Inseparable

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Post by andreygrehov »

bad_haircut72 wrote: post #3

They can say whatever they want but Usain Bolt gave me his gold medal so now Im the fastest 100m runner in the world

But if Usain Bolt truly believed that you were better than him and indeed gave you the medal, then maybe you really were the fastest runner in the world?

Re: The Nobel Prize and the Laureate Are Inseparable

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Post by vintermann »

k1m wrote: post #21

Many in Norway and Sweden distanced themselves from the Nobel Peace Prize at the time it was awarded to Machado because it was obvious it was such a bad decision. Julian Assange even filed a criminal complaint in Sweden last month to try to stop the Swedish Nobel Foundation paying out over $1 million dollars to her, arguing it's going against Alfred Nobel's will, and they have a responsibility to respect his will. He…

I'm pretty sure he just wants an "I told you so" on the record. I don't think he has many illusions about recourse through the Swedish court system.

Re: The Nobel Prize and the Laureate Are Inseparable

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Post by jeppester »

shubhamjain wrote: post #59
huhkerrf wrote: post #4

It's such a joke that we're even having to discuss this. Has there ever been such a thin-skinned, self-absorbed leader of a major power before? Even his biggest fans have to admit, if only to themselves, that he acts like a toddler.

Considering his approval rating is still in low 40s, and not 0, tells you volumes about the average American mind.

That was my main learning from the last election: The difference between Americans and Europeans truly is much greater than I'd ever expect.

I really thought that it was impossible for Trump to get elected again. Everyone was warned, yet they wanted him back.

Re: The Nobel Prize and the Laureate Are Inseparable

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Post by jeswin »

mananaysiempre wrote: post #118
dilawar wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The current prime minister of India once announced that he has Ph.D. in "all of the political science". Asked for proof, they produced his degree from Delhi University. No one who got their degree at that place during that time can't recall seeing him in the classroom! But that's nothing compared to this man. I usually avoid his news but seeing him grabbing fifa peace price wasn't a good sight.

A now-deleted reply challenged this claim, so I went to search, and it seems to be a melange of three different facts? Narendra Modi is said to hold a BA awarded by Delhi University in 1978 (or possibly 1979?). The veracity of that has been disputed. He is also said to hold an MA awarded by Gujarat University in 1983, where the provided exam transcript[1] marks him “external” (i.e. remote) and includes the curious ph…

I am the one who disputed the claim and later deleted - I was conflicted between keeping HN largely free of political reddittery (and chose to downvote instead), and fact-checking.

> The current prime minister of India once announced that he has Ph.D. in "all of the political science".

This didn't happen, at least publicly and on record. The previous dispute was around his distance education Masters; which isn't hard to believe or hard to get. They don't attend regular classes.

Re: The Nobel Prize and the Laureate Are Inseparable

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Post by koolba »

pletnes wrote: post #111
istjohn wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, it's not the first extremely questionable Nobel Peace Prize award, for example, Henry Kissinger. While not nearly as egregious, Barack Obama was a bizarre choice, too.

I cannot recall Obama doing one single thing for peace internationally? Which conflict did he help stop?

> I cannot recall Obama doing one single thing for peace internationally? Which conflict did he help stop?

It's an interesting choice for sure. In 2009, he had only killed 50-100 civilians via drone strike by the time they awarded the prize. And he didn't kill US citizens via drone strike abroad until 2011.

Being realistic about things, it's because he was black.

Re: The Nobel Prize and the Laureate Are Inseparable

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Post by vintermann »

k1m wrote: post #121
ajross wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Machado seems fine. There are always going to be controversies around any political figure, and the complaints ahead of the award were... kinda routine, I thought? She was an opposition leader who was denied power won by democratic election, and didn't start an insurrection or whatever. Checks the right boxes. Make the call and move on. Now, sure, she then went on to personally hand over the medal (or statue or whate…

The world's oldest peace organisation, the Swedish Peace and Arbitration Society, distanced itself from the Nobel Peace Prize, writing in October: "...it is becoming increasingly clear that she is a political actor who also gives her support to Trump and Israel, and with an agenda that stands far from peace, disarmament and reconciliation between peoples. Not least, her uncritical positions in favor of Israel, the US…

Yes. I believe it's the first time the Peace Council refused to organize the march.

They got an NGO of exile-Venezuelans to organize it instead.

Re: The Nobel Prize and the Laureate Are Inseparable

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Post by E39M5S62 »

nephihaha wrote: post #120
ipython wrote: post #105

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What does Jimmy Kimmel have to do with anything? Plus, citation needed.

YouTube videos are not citations. Just went looking for the video and couldn't find it thanks to YT's useless search function. I was forced to endure ten minutes of his hack journalism. More proof he is a mouth for hire. He said the exact opposite about FIFA when they gave Trump a peace prize.

Since when is Jimmy Kimmel a journalist? He hosts a late night talk show.
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