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The Nobel Prize and the Laureate Are Inseparable

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Re: The Nobel Prize and the Laureate Are Inseparable

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Post by kzrdude »

wsbetter wrote: post #64

I have a genuine question. First off, it seems pretty targeted at Trump's and Machado's situation, so I'm assuming it's based off of that. I understand the importance and pride with an award as grand as this, but with so much at stake, is it worth keeping the integrity of the award, especially a peace award, at the cost of the freedom of millions of lives in Venezuela? (I word it like "the cost of millions' of freedo…

Trump says a lot of things. There's no reason IMO to think that in this case he would have done differently if he was bribed with the medal up front. I think so because a military operation to unseat the whole leadership of the country would have been very different.

Re: The Nobel Prize and the Laureate Are Inseparable

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Post by jacquesm »

huhkerrf wrote: post #4

It's such a joke that we're even having to discuss this. Has there ever been such a thin-skinned, self-absorbed leader of a major power before? Even his biggest fans have to admit, if only to themselves, that he acts like a toddler.

Not to help you with your sleeping patterns but: a toddler that could overnight decide to instruct US hosting providers and other infrastructure companies that they can no longer serve EU customers, that the .COM registry domains can only be registered by US entities, that any country owes the US any part of its territory 'or else'. The Nobel Prize is a footnote, it should have never happened, but there are much worse threats on the horizon.

Re: The Nobel Prize and the Laureate Are Inseparable

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Post by [deleted] »

dilawar wrote: post #28
huhkerrf wrote: post #4

It's such a joke that we're even having to discuss this. Has there ever been such a thin-skinned, self-absorbed leader of a major power before? Even his biggest fans have to admit, if only to themselves, that he acts like a toddler.

The current prime minister of India once announced that he has Ph.D. in "all of the political science". Asked for proof, they produced his degree from Delhi University. No one who got their degree at that place during that time can't recall seeing him in the classroom! But that's nothing compared to this man. I usually avoid his news but seeing him grabbing fifa peace price wasn't a good sight.

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Re: The Nobel Prize and the Laureate Are Inseparable

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Post by nephihaha »

iwontberude wrote: post #127
nephihaha wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But Tony was a good businessman and also regretted entering certain aspects of the family business. My vote is for 13 year old boy's fantasy presidency.

A convenient explanation for Trumps ephebophilia/pedophilia.

Nah, I was thinking more of busty (adult) blondes, owning a massive business and conducting international affairs like an eighties action movie.

Re: The Nobel Prize and the Laureate Are Inseparable

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Post by ripe »

tombert wrote: post #106
nephihaha wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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He got the prize before he did much mongering though. Also he didn’t try to overthrow an election he lost.

> He got the prize before he did much mongering though.

He and Nixon did plenty of mongering already in 1971, when they firmly backed and tried to cover up Pakistan's military atrocities in what is now Bangladesh. 10 million refugees didn’t prevent the Nobel committe from giving him the prize in 1973.

Re: The Nobel Prize and the Laureate Are Inseparable

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Post by dsjoerg »

istjohn wrote: post #80
k1m wrote: post #21

Many in Norway and Sweden distanced themselves from the Nobel Peace Prize at the time it was awarded to Machado because it was obvious it was such a bad decision. Julian Assange even filed a criminal complaint in Sweden last month to try to stop the Swedish Nobel Foundation paying out over $1 million dollars to her, arguing it's going against Alfred Nobel's will, and they have a responsibility to respect his will. He…

To be fair, it's not the first extremely questionable Nobel Peace Prize award, for example, Henry Kissinger. While not nearly as egregious, Barack Obama was a bizarre choice, too.

Agreed, it was weird. They were like "yay Obama" and maybe trying to lock him in to doing peaceful things by giving him a pre-emptive prize.

They strayed from meaningful principles and now they are reaping what they've sown.

Re: The Nobel Prize and the Laureate Are Inseparable

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Post by dh2022 »

huhkerrf wrote: post #4

It's such a joke that we're even having to discuss this. Has there ever been such a thin-skinned, self-absorbed leader of a major power before? Even his biggest fans have to admit, if only to themselves, that he acts like a toddler.

How about Wilhelm II, the last German Kaiser? Some strong parallels - both were thin-skinned, both were idiots with a short attention span, both damaged relations with traditional allies (in Kaiser's case, these allies were also his relatives), both yielded large power aimlessly. Hopefully Donnie does not start a world war....

Re: The Nobel Prize and the Laureate Are Inseparable

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Post by rmckayfleming »

pletnes wrote: post #111
istjohn wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, it's not the first extremely questionable Nobel Peace Prize award, for example, Henry Kissinger. While not nearly as egregious, Barack Obama was a bizarre choice, too.

I cannot recall Obama doing one single thing for peace internationally? Which conflict did he help stop?

It was ridiculous. He got it less than a year into his presidency.
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