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Canada slashes 100% tariffs on Chinese EVs to 6%

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A few assorted thoughts: - I'm still not over how great it feels to have confidence that Carney has a strong understanding of the economics of these political manouvers. Not only is he not a !@#$ing moron, he's a deeply experience economist more than he's a politician. - Stratification of trading partners is nothing but good. - This feels like safe toe-dip. Both sides have agreed to terms that are temporary, meaning…

I don't love that Carney is relatively conservative-leaning for being Liberal, but I do really appreciate the fact that he's professional, competent, and stable. He speaks like (what I see as) a regular person and he's not there to whip supporters into fervent chanting. I'm absolutely relieved that Poilievre didn't win the election (or his original seat). Setting aside just how far to the right he is, I've heard him…

I'm pretty sure Carney is a Progressive Conservative.

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Patents (what protects inventions) have nothing to do with copyright.

I think the suggestion is more around people like Lowell - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Cabot_Lowell > Despite political independence, the United States remained dependent on imports for manufactured goods. The conflicts between the European Powers and the Embargo of 1807 severely disrupted trade between the United States, Great Britain, France and Asia. Lowell reached the conclusion that to be truly indepen…

Just gotta say I love these historical slam dunks. Thank you for bringing the receipts.

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Other country only sees that US elected Trump. So, yes, the US.

14% of the US elected trump.

I know it’s lower than 50% but I wanted to get a better idea myself. Numbers rounded to the nearest 5 million

  - Trump voters 2024: 75m
  - US population 2024: 340m
  - US population >18 2024: 265m
  - % pop Trump voters: 22%
  - % pop >18 Trump voters: 28%
What numbers did you use?

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There are ~ 2 million black men incarcerated in the united states, many engaging in what is effectively modern slavery. I don't think we can effectively weigh human rights atrocities between nations, but the U.S. is certainly not "better" than China in many respects.

I was not "weighing between nations", I was responding to: "I think this "China evil" framing is a smear" > There are ~ 2 million black men incarcerated in the united states In 2019, whites+hispanics committed 0.92x as many homicides as blacks [1], but their 2021 incarceration numbers were 1.72x that of blacks (0.75x for non-hispanic whites alone) [2]. Using homicide to estimate criminality, because it is immune to o…

Using homicide numbers when the point was about overall incarceration statistics is disingenuous at best, and a wildly racist diatribe worthy of a significant scolding at worst. Murder / homicide account for a small single digit percentage of all incarcerated people in the US.

Honestly a bit disgusted to have even read what you wrote here. Shameful.

Edit for more substance: your use of homicide numbers belies the common racist American stereotype of blacks as not only a violent, but coddled minority. The fact that your mind would even begin to think that it’s fair to compare 2 million incarcerated black people to the 3-5% of people who are incarcerated for murder for a statistical gotcha is despicable.

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The US just has better propaganda.

When the Chinese press criticizes Xi in the way that the non-Fox press criticize Trump, I'll start listening to such claims. Until then, you're showing either massive ignorance or reckless disregard of the truth.

Now that Bari Weiss is running CBS there’s at least one fewer network to worry about. But you’re right, there’s still plenty of Trump criticism to be found, for now.

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That's basically it. The Chinese government views the rest of the world through Hobbesian self interest, but in the late 20th century financial way. They want your money, but lawfully. The US has turned into something much more vindictive and unpredictable, including threatening to invade Canada.

The US? No, Trump.

> The US? No, Trump.

No, the US, through its government (which is not just the executive branch) as chosen (in theory, via election) and, in practice, tolerated by its population at large.

It's not just Trump. If the US decided not to follow him he would have no power.

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The announced limit doesn't seem like enough volume for BYD to roll out a dealership network, but maybe they do it in anticipation of higher limits in the future. Volvo could be an immediate beneficiary. The Canadian EX30 was going to be cheaper because they could make them in China, but after the 100% US/Canada tariff was announced they had to switch to ones produced in Belgium iirc. edit: Something I just read that…

Ironically one of the biggest beneficiary will likely be Tesla. Before the 100% tarriffs were instated Tesla-Canada imported most of their vehicles from China's Shanghai gigafactory. After the Chinese EV tarriffs they began importing from Germany and some from the US. They already have the footprint and sales depth to take advantage of the low tarriffs rate quickly.

They have to hit the price targets and overcome the toxicity of Musk.

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Yep. I don't know if anyone is interested in anecdotes, but looking from Europe, I will do my best to avoid any kind of US dependency until US has a) overhauled the legal system starting from the Supreme Court and b) gotten rid of the de facto two-party system. (No, one-party system does not count.)

The two-party system is fine. We have to be honest about the fact that parliamentary systems can give massive power to a tiny fraction of the population when that small party becomes the deciding vote. The problems with the USA political system are: electoral college, senate being 2 votes per state, and the supreme court being 7 people for life. But nothing can be done about the last two now. Especially now that the…

> The two-party system is fine.

No, its not, as anyone who has paid even a slight amount of attention to the study of comparative government among modern nominal representative democracies would recognize.

> We have to be honest about the fact that parliamentary systems can give massive power to a tiny fraction of the population when that small party becomes the deciding vote.

Parliamentary systems can be two-party and multiparty systems do not need to parliamentary, so you are starting with a false dichotomy. And the problem you describe is less often a problem with multiparty systems (parliamentary or otherwise) than two-party systems, because the reliance on ad hoc coalitions means that there is much more likely to be the option of replacing a faction that is leveraging its marginal role in creating a majority to wag a coalition that is a small part of, whereas a small faction within a major party in a two party system that is crucial to maintaining a partisan majority cannot practically be defied without the rest of the party surrendering its majority, giving it much more power than a minor coalition partner in a multiparty system.

(Parliamentary or semi-presidential systems are also generally better than presidential systems, but that's a whole different issue from the multiparty vs. two-party issue.)

> The problems with the USA political system are: electoral college, senate being 2 votes per state, and the supreme court being 7 people for life.

The first two of those are also problems (though actually being a Presidential system is a bigger problem, and a problem without which the electoral college would be moot.) The third is simply inaccurate.

> But nothing can be done about the last two now. Especially now that the Supreme Court made a decision limiting how amendments can be ratified.

The Supreme Court decision on how amendments can be ratified (basically, however Congress decides) does not substantially limit what amendments can be passed. And it is the first two are set in the Constitution, the third (even using the correct current number of 9) is not, and can be changed (that the Supreme Court exists and that federal judges have lifetime tenure as federal judges are set in the Constitution, the number of seats on the Supreme Court, whether that number is fixed or floating over time, and the tenure of judges on the Supreme Court separate from their tenure as federal juddges is not; all of those can be changed by statute. If Congress wanted to make Supreme Court justices appointed for a fixed term of years from among the set of lifetime federal judges, that would be possible. If Congress kept lifetime tenure for justices, decided to have one appointed every 2 years regardless of the current size of the court, and have the Chief Justice appointed for 4 year terms from among the sitting justices, that would work too.)

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For starters they can sell EVs at a profit, a feat which I believe only Tesla has managed among the US manufacturers.

Sure, but that's mostly an R&D vs time thing. All manufacturers go through a period of time where they are losing huge money as they build out the production capacity and develop their tech. Tesla went years without making money, as did BYD. The incumbents will get there eventually.

The incumbents had the same time the Chinese did, and more. They still couldn't do it. Now the Trump administration has effectively forced them out of the EV business. If you're not making EVs, you're not getting any better at making EVs. The best case scenario for US automakers now is that tariffs remain high post-Trump, and America becomes like Cuba or the former Yugoslavia, with people driving inferior cars to the rest of the world because that's all they have access to. But rest assured, at least the rich will be driving the finest Chinese EVs.

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This is what happens when you abandon your allies and soft power. The US is about to find out that their economy isn't capable of surviving in 2026 without the soft power they've had since WWII. Steven Miller is also about to find out that, no you can't just "take what you want" and expect the rest of the world to do nothing.

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