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Canada slashes 100% tariffs on Chinese EVs to 6%

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Post by _DeadFred_ »

anvuong wrote: post #243
pjc50 wrote: post #234

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That's basically it. The Chinese government views the rest of the world through Hobbesian self interest, but in the late 20th century financial way. They want your money, but lawfully. The US has turned into something much more vindictive and unpredictable, including threatening to invade Canada.

Lawfully? How many IPs have they stolen from universities and companies across the world?

How did the USA end up with the UKs jet engine/radar/other tech? Oh yeah, it was the only way to get the USA's support for the UK during WW2.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tizard_Mission

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

Herring wrote: post #446
throw0101d wrote: post #156

A Canadian satire site has the headline "Canada chooses lawful evil over chaotic evil": * https://thebeaverton.com/2026/01/canada-chooses-lawful-evil-... * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alignment_(Dungeons_%26_Dragon... Edit: A comment in /r/canada: > TBF I would much rather work for Lex Luthor than The Joker if I had to choose one.

China hasn't dropped bombs on foreign soil in over 40 years. The US killed a million Iraqis not that long ago. I think this "China evil" framing is a smear, like how Republican conspiracy theories used to say Democrats are pedophiles. Guess where the real pedophiles were hanging out the whole time.

It has been almost 46 years since China last dropped bombs on Vietnam.

> The US killed a million Iraqis not that long ago.

That estimate is about as reliable as western estimates in how many died during TS 1989 (but you did mention "foreign soil", not Chinese soil).

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Post by dragon-hn »

lenerdenator wrote: post #460
fritzorino wrote: post #286

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Trump doesn't care about values at all, he cares about money more than anyone else does. I find it laughable you can even talk about values whilst having that main in charge of your country. And so what if he turns around and goes "ha your values are worthless". Trump is a literal paedophile and a literal rapist. Why should we accept being brow beat by such a man? So? We're moving on without you.

> Trump doesn't care about values at all, he cares about money more than anyone else does. That's exactly what I'm saying. He's going to use this sort of deal as an example to Canadians that when it all comes down to it, they're no better than he is. He's going to say that you're perfectly fine talking trade deals with authoritarians who are literally abducting Chinese nationals on Canadian soil and doing God-knows-w…

I think you are giving Trump way too much credit. He is a much simpler man - he sees a weakness or some leverage, then he will use that for financial gain. No more than that.

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

coredog64 wrote: post #405
justonceokay wrote: post #118

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Agreed, that’s exactly what i did. But I wonder how much of that culture is because the new cheap Chinese cars aren’t here. If all you have in town is a target, that’s where people will shop. If you open up a goodwill there might be some handwringing and “I would never” rhetoric. But many people will go to the goodwill even if they don’t admit it.

Having previously owned a Chinese car (Great Wall H5, bought new), I'm on the fence about buying Chinese cars. Initially it was a great car -- lots of features and they used high quality OEM parts (e.g. a Mitsubishi engine). However, I found that it didn't hold up well* and was missing some of the touches that come from engineering not coming from a car culture. As one example, the tensioner for the accessory belt wa…

I don't think Chinese cars ever came into their own until two things happened:

- A move to automate auto factory lines in Chinese auto factories. Up until about a decade ago the emphasis was still on using human labor, and quality took a hit accordingly. Robots are much more precise and consistent, the quality difference between a Chinese-made cars and the same kind of car made in Japan was huge.

- EVs. EV motors are just more reliable in general, and are easier to replace when they wear out or are defective. You don't have so many moving parts any more, and the Chinese became world leaders in battery tech.

If I ever live in China again and need to buy a car, it will definitely be an EV. Heck, I would never buy a BMW ICE (maintenance sucks) but I bought a BMW EV...

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

brianwawok wrote: post #110
toomuchtodo wrote: post #74

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> Yeah thee was never any competing with china, our industry just relies on our market using different values to purchase a car. This is patently false. The US could have competed with China if it had maintained investments spinning up battery manufacturing and downstream systems to build EVs at scale, while subsidizing EVs (fossil fuels are subsidized to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars per year [1]) and…

Chinese autoworker makes what, 5k USD a year? Vs 50k+ for union autoworker in the US? How can you win that battle?

Your salary information is out of date. Average Annual Salary for a Chinese working in an auto factory: ¥102,173 CNY (approx. $14,000–$15,000 USD based on projected exchange rates).

Also, Chinese auto factories are heavily automated now, even when compared to American auto factories.

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Post by mindslight »

teemur wrote: post #481
mindslight wrote: post #342

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Is that the extent of your requirements (for now, at least) ? As an American I keep trying to surmise what we're going to need to do to start repairing the damage from this massive self-own. It's kind of hard because we don't know where the bottom will be, but we at least need to start having these discussions on what constructive approaches might even look like - we can't have our milquetoast opposition party phonin…

> Is that the extent of your requirements (for now, at least) ? Well, if you ask my other wishes, once Europe has gotten its act straight and decides to tax/tariff/regulate/whatever (american) big tech to hell and back, I kind of would expect that any decent person on that side of the pond would just humbly nod their head and note that, yes, we/they deserved it.

I think domestically we need some analog of the EU's GDPR, as table stakes for preventing the surveillance industry ("big tech") from amassing so much power over the People that they're inclined to try for another coup.

We also need some kind of antitrust enforcement against the forced bundling of products from the distinct categories of hardware devices, network services, and client software.

Those should leave us with a similar environment to the EU. Beyond that, sure tax away, whatever. If we've done our job right domestically, these services should be a lot easier to value in terms of subscription fees rather than nebulous values siphoned away from surveillance subjects.

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Post by ku-man »

NicoJuicy wrote: post #462
mathgradthrow wrote: post #374

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As a Belgian, I don't think there is much point in creating a fake account. We know the US is different than Trump. But yet, here we are, a wannabe dictator is in control now of the US. We realized that we have way too much dependencies on the US in a very short time. It's not going to be easy to unbuckle a >70 year old partnership, but not being prepared if he succeeds will be worse, just ask your Canadian friends.…

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Post by dpc050505 »

roncesvalles wrote: post #519
echelon wrote: post #230

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I'm really into geopolitics, and it's clear to see what's happening from the US side. America still wants to play hegemon, but since Bretton Woods 2.0 didn't happen, they're going to lock up the entire North and South American continents from Chinese and Russian influence. And it'll be fierce. The next salvo is going to be US statehood for Alberta and Saskatchewan. There is already partisan support within those provi…

>There is already partisan support within those provinces, and Trump is going to offer money to push it. If that happens, Yukon and the Northwest Territories are next. (Side note: these are Republican voters, which gives Republicans the Senate for years to come.) Disagree. 1. If any Canadian province becomes an American state (with electoral votes), the Republicans won't win an election for the next 100 years. Even i…

The FLQ killing two politicians (one being accidental*) is very far removed from the scope of the IRA's terrorism. They were infiltrated to the bone by the RCMP that was trying to get them to escalate to put the war measure act in place and engage in a massive intimidation campaign on the massive peaceful and liberal part of the independence movement, something that is quite reminiscent of what is currently happening in Minneapolis.

*They did kidnap him but didn't intend to kill him, they were dumb revolted teenagers who fucked up.

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Post by dpc050505 »

jbm wrote: post #407
BXLE_1-1-BitIs1 wrote: post #399

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The Forever Canadia https://www.forever-canadian.ca/ petition collected over 400,000 signatures from Alberta electors. Then Danielle moved the goalposts to make it easier for the Independence folks: Signature collection period: January 3 to May 2, 2026 Number of signatures required for a successful petition: 177,732 (10% of the total number votes cast in the 2023 Provincial General Election).

I signed that petition, just like I voted against Quebec's treason of 1995.

How do you feel about the night of long knives (the canadian one obviously) and the failure of lake meech?

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Post by fatbird »

JauntTrooper wrote: post #486
mywittyname wrote: post #344

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The two-party system is fine. We have to be honest about the fact that parliamentary systems can give massive power to a tiny fraction of the population when that small party becomes the deciding vote. The problems with the USA political system are: electoral college, senate being 2 votes per state, and the supreme court being 7 people for life. But nothing can be done about the last two now. Especially now that the…

The efficacy of US democracy has eroded over time, and it's clear we're going to need reforms to preserve democratic governance for future generations. Every branch of the federal government has experienced a decline in democratic accountability. The House is so gerrymandered that only 10% of seats are remotely competitive each year, and it hasn't kept up with population growth. The Senate is permanently gerrymandere…

Here's how to abolish the electoral college: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Popular_Vote_Intersta...

States with a total of 270 electoral votes agree to award their electors to the winner of the national popular vote. The effort appears to be stalled, but there are 209 votes from states who've already passed the law (which is in effect only once 270+ electoral votes are reached).

The Supreme Court's composition can be changed with a law, and the most popular option appears to be 18 year terms, staggered so that there are two appointments for each presidential term. The court can also be expanded, and should be to 13 (one for each circuit).

Gerrymandering is a serious problem, and would properly be solved by coming up with some algorithmic way of drawing districts. But for practical purposes this unlikely to ever happen. But I'm hopeful because of the effort of Democratic states to recognize the gerrymandering and turning it into a standoff of sorts. To date, there's been no reason not to gerrymander if you can do it, and Republicans have seriously overreached.

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