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Canada slashes 100% tariffs on Chinese EVs to 6%

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Re: Canada slashes 100% tariffs on Chinese EVs to 6%

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It’s a complete sea change. I feel Canada only set tariffs on cars out of some deference to the US auto industry. I don’t want to use slippery slope thinking, but this to me smells like rolling out a Canadian auto market that is not dependent on the US. For the average family, being able to spend significantly less on a car is a big deal.

> I feel Canada only set tariffs on cars out of some deference to the US auto industry That is exactly what they did. https://financialpost.com/commodities/energy/electric-vehicl... > The tariffs follow a May announcement by U.S. President Joe Biden of 100 per cent tariffs on Chinese-made EVs. > Trudeau said on Sunday night that he had discussed China and other national geopolitical issues with U.S. national security…

Nothing to do with “unfair, non-market policies and practices […] and China’s intentional, state-directed policy of overcapacity and lack of rigorous labour and environmental standards”? I suppose that doesn’t even register anymore to the average selectively outraged parochial Canadian.

[0] https://www.canada.ca/en/department-finance/news/2024/08/can...

Re: Canada slashes 100% tariffs on Chinese EVs to 6%

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Good. Carney also remarked our relationship with China is now more predictable with our relationship with the states (wild shade coming from him) just to really make it clear to certain parties why this is happening. Cheaper car options in this country will be nice, and I say this as a certified car hater who's yet to own one despite pushing 40.

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Re: Canada slashes 100% tariffs on Chinese EVs to 6%

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Apparently its quite simple to buy a BYD vehicle from Mexico and import it into the US already. https://youtube.com/shorts/IEbl6RIJeDc?si=pNol1UkjxRwML9Dz I suspect the same thing will happen for northern states buying from Canada!

This is entirely incorrect. You cannot permanently import or register a vehicle which has not undergone homologation. None of these vehicles have been certified to meet US safety standards and they cannot be imported permanently.

Your comment is also partially incorrect. Vehicles 25 years and older may be imported and registered regardless of safety standards or emissions.

https://www.help.cbp.gov/s/article/Article-1100?language=en_...

Re: Canada slashes 100% tariffs on Chinese EVs to 6%

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Does the US “do friends?” Does France? Does any country?

Shared values do have meaning and an importance. They used to mean a fair bit especially when you needed to fight an aggressor.

Re: Canada slashes 100% tariffs on Chinese EVs to 6%

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Its only the first 50K that get 6%, still pretty interesting as being physically so close to the US could cause people in the US to get their first look at Chinese cars. Chinese car companies face far more ruthless competition than western ones so could end up making better cars as a result, imo. There are over 100 brands in china selling electric cars

This x1000, I hope this really turns the screws on the US manufacturers, they need to hurt.

I suppose you realize the people running those manufacturing companies won't be hurt much at all, everyone who scrapes by trying to making a living work for them will hurt a lot when they get fired.

Re: Canada slashes 100% tariffs on Chinese EVs to 6%

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Good. Carney also remarked our relationship with China is now more predictable with our relationship with the states (wild shade coming from him) just to really make it clear to certain parties why this is happening. Cheaper car options in this country will be nice, and I say this as a certified car hater who's yet to own one despite pushing 40.

I think the niche for EV's in Canada will be regional-ish transportation... I would love to see a network of chargers that fully cover the Trans-Canada Highway, but there are still some pretty significant gaps, for example Hwy 17 - If even one of the stations goes down you'd be stranded. But in that niche I can really see cheap EVs taking off. I know several people who live in Toronto whose cars have never been more…

I bought my first car in SF, a 2016 Spark EV. Tiny subcompact, 135 km range, perfect for our family of 4 (including dog + daughter).

I literally can't buy any subcompact car these days in USA or Canada, since Spark (petrol) was discontinued in 2022, Prius C (subcompact hybrid) discontinued, and Bolt EV (bigger but still small) discontinued and will be replaced with something even bigger.

Looking forward to inexpensive BYD Seagulls flooding Canada and hopefully encouraging dealers to bring in existing subcompacts that they sell everywhere else in the world.

Re: Canada slashes 100% tariffs on Chinese EVs to 6%

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Good. Carney also remarked our relationship with China is now more predictable with our relationship with the states (wild shade coming from him) just to really make it clear to certain parties why this is happening. Cheaper car options in this country will be nice, and I say this as a certified car hater who's yet to own one despite pushing 40.

A bit of nuance: yes, Carney said that but he didn't just offer up the opinion unprompted - it was in response to a direct press question about if China or the US is a more predictable partner right now.

And even then, he didn't lead with "China is!" but wandered his way into offering the assessment.

The context makes his comment on this seem less nakedly provocative (not that it'll matter either way - the headline will be the headline, and the Trump admin will use it however they see fit as usual).

Re: Canada slashes 100% tariffs on Chinese EVs to 6%

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Yeah there was never any competing with china, our industry just relies on our market using different values to purchase a car. It’s tough to convince most price-inelastic people they shouldn’t buy a car that is 1/2 price, even if it has fewer features. Edit: to be clear I meant that the US did not compete, not that they could not compete

The expensive cars sell well in the us - customers are not that price inelastic. Those who are prefer a used car with all the high priced features of 5 years ago to a new car with no options

Agreed, that’s exactly what i did. But I wonder how much of that culture is because the new cheap Chinese cars aren’t here.

If all you have in town is a target, that’s where people will shop. If you open up a goodwill there might be some handwringing and “I would never” rhetoric. But many people will go to the goodwill even if they don’t admit it.

Re: Canada slashes 100% tariffs on Chinese EVs to 6%

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Cars last ~25 years, 49,000 * 25 = 1.2 million Chinese EV’s on the road in a steady state. Not such as huge shift in total, but EV’s are still a small percentage of total vehicle sales in Canada.

25 years?! Hardly https://www.brokerlink.ca/blog/how-long-do-cars-last-in-cana... > In 2020, the Automotive Industries Association of Canada (AIA Canada) reported the average age of Canadian vehicles was 9.7 years, though many industry experts believe that number is closer to 10.5 years today.

Recent CATL independent battery testing has demonstrated 1.25 million mile longevity for battery modules produced. While EV uptake may take time, the EVs that are built will be with us for some time. That equates to 62 years of service life assuming ~20k miles/year

Re: Canada slashes 100% tariffs on Chinese EVs to 6%

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Did ICE have clandestine police stations in Canada trying to rendition political dissidents? People need to get a grip and some perspective.

American citizens being shot and brutalized by a state sponsored force of masked thugs without training. Sounds pretty clandestine to me and it's happening in us soil.

Except those actions are not secret, nor illegal, nor a threat to any other country’s sovereignty?
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