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Re: Lock-Picking Robot

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Post by pixl97 »

observationist wrote: post #56
pixl97 wrote: post #38

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Locks are not security. They keep honest people honest and give a few moments more work to those that are dishonest. It's a promise to society that you'll act decent. Needless to say they mean nothing to those that break promises. In almost all cases, with a lock or not, by the time you figure out the lock is broken (10 minutes or 10 days) your shit is long gone and you better have your security onion setup with mult…

It's a lot like turn signals - social communication that goes beyond the practical benefit. If you're using your turn signals, you're saying "I'm aware of the environment and a good participant in the game we're playing because I'm following the rules". If you don't use signals, you're telling people that you're not following the rules, and that makes you suspect in all the other social games. Kinda funny to do some…

>do some people watching with that perspective

100%, especially while driving as you say. When teaching my daughter driving I tell her to watch for people other people breaking the law/bad driving in other ways and distance yourself from them. The probability of them doing something else stupid in the next few minutes when your in their vicinity approaches unity, and it reduces your chances of being what they hit.

Re: Lock-Picking Robot

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Post by scubbo »

pipes wrote: post #66
pixl97 wrote: post #36

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I mean, you tend to see this everywhere. Hopefully these people do realize that a lock is a promise saying "you belong to a society, be nice". They do very little beyond that, especially these days with small, powerful powertools.

I "belong" to a society? That suggests that a group owns me. Hrm I'm probably nit picking, but the idea of a society owning me isn't something I agree with. Also I'm free to leave.

This is linguistic nonsense on a par with disliking the phrase "my spouse" because it implies ownership. You can easily talk of "my country" or "my university" without claiming ownership, just as one can talk of "a sense of belonging" or of "belonging to a club" without feeling owned. Words have several meanings.

Re: Lock-Picking Robot

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Post by pixl97 »

pipes wrote: post #66
pixl97 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, you tend to see this everywhere. Hopefully these people do realize that a lock is a promise saying "you belong to a society, be nice". They do very little beyond that, especially these days with small, powerful powertools.

I "belong" to a society? That suggests that a group owns me. Hrm I'm probably nit picking, but the idea of a society owning me isn't something I agree with. Also I'm free to leave.

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Re: Lock-Picking Robot

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Post by stackghost »

daveguy wrote: post #62
stackghost wrote: post #57

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This place lost its hacker lustre at least 10 years ago. I registered my first account in 2011 or so and even then it had plenty of "pro-big corporate" energy here.

It's a site that was founded and run by venture capitalists. It always had "pro-big corporate" energy. If for nothing else, because that's one of the potential exit strategies.

I know but there was a "hacker spirit" undercurrent that's been diminished of late, I feel

Re: Lock-Picking Robot

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Post by stackghost »

pipes wrote: post #66
pixl97 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, you tend to see this everywhere. Hopefully these people do realize that a lock is a promise saying "you belong to a society, be nice". They do very little beyond that, especially these days with small, powerful powertools.

I "belong" to a society? That suggests that a group owns me. Hrm I'm probably nit picking, but the idea of a society owning me isn't something I agree with. Also I'm free to leave.

You live in a country with laws. You pay taxes. You can be put in prison. They both literally and figuratively own your ass.

You're free to leave only if another country accepts you which is not a given.

Re: Lock-Picking Robot

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Post by pipes »

scubbo wrote: post #72
pipes wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I "belong" to a society? That suggests that a group owns me. Hrm I'm probably nit picking, but the idea of a society owning me isn't something I agree with. Also I'm free to leave.

This is linguistic nonsense on a par with disliking the phrase "my spouse" because it implies ownership. You can easily talk of "my country" or "my university" without claiming ownership, just as one can talk of "a sense of belonging" or of "belonging to a club" without feeling owned. Words have several meanings.

Yet, if I said my wife belonged to me I think I would get a few rebukes.

Re: Lock-Picking Robot

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Post by pipes »

pixl97 wrote: post #73
pipes wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I "belong" to a society? That suggests that a group owns me. Hrm I'm probably nit picking, but the idea of a society owning me isn't something I agree with. Also I'm free to leave.

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I'm not a libertarian, heck I even think property rights aren't a right, they are a service provided by the the state.

Re: Lock-Picking Robot

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Post by pineaux »

pipes wrote: post #77
pixl97 wrote: post #73

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I'm not a libertarian, heck I even think property rights aren't a right, they are a service provided by the the state.

all rights are provided by a state or hegemon. Some rights are harder to take away than others. Some are easier. the hegemon does not need to be defined.

Re: Lock-Picking Robot

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Post by te7447 »

observationist wrote: post #9
MarkusQ wrote: post #4

Cool idea but I'm not buying the justification. There are many cases where the correct response to "but law enforcement needs a way in" is "we have a system for that, it's called a warrant." Further, while standing somewhere for five minutes may be obvious in some situations, there are many cases in which it wouldn't be obvious at all, or the response time would be great enough that this could still be quite useful t…

Locks are not security, in the sense that you're using. A sledgehammer goes right through 90% of them, or the hasps or latches secured by them. A competent lockpicking enthusiast will take two or three minutes to go through almost any of them. Someone motivated to get in with foreknowledge of the lock type can simply use a $200 camera and photograph your keyring from a couple blocks away, then 3d print all the keys o…

> use a $200 camera and photograph your keyring from a couple blocks away

I suppose serious defenders will need to get an EVVA MCS, if that's their threat model :-) Just don't let the really serious lockpickers near the lock with a contact microphone.

https://www.evva.com/int-en/products/mechanical-locking-syst...

Re: Lock-Picking Robot

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Post by cush »

pipes wrote: post #76
scubbo wrote: post #72

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This is linguistic nonsense on a par with disliking the phrase "my spouse" because it implies ownership. You can easily talk of "my country" or "my university" without claiming ownership, just as one can talk of "a sense of belonging" or of "belonging to a club" without feeling owned. Words have several meanings.

Yet, if I said my wife belonged to me I think I would get a few rebukes.

Why not just have a conversation in good faith?

Instead of assuming the person you're chatting with is talking about slavery, and then when they clarify they're not talking about slavery, and you saying that it could be about slavery, you could just as easily say, "oh I misunderstood you". Sometimes humans have misunderstandings. Languages are messy. Just let it go.

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