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Re: Lock-Picking Robot

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post #23

The number of comments in here slandering the developer’s morality for picking locks is actually pretty surprising for a site literally called Hacker News. Every day there’s a story on the front page of some grey/white-hat showing off an exploit they found to infiltrate a site we all use. It’s an odd double standard.

>Every day there’s a story on the front page of some grey/white-hat showing off an exploit they found to infiltrate a site we all use.

This is not true.

Re: Lock-Picking Robot

#62

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Still astounding in a place where "hackers" congregate.

This place lost its hacker lustre at least 10 years ago. I registered my first account in 2011 or so and even then it had plenty of "pro-big corporate" energy here.

It's a site that was founded and run by venture capitalists. It always had "pro-big corporate" energy. If for nothing else, because that's one of the potential exit strategies.

Re: Lock-Picking Robot

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post #54

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Locks raise the cost of bad behavior, which makes it less likely. They can still be quite meaningful to someone who breaks those promises, if that person doesn't have the tools or time to defeat the lock, or is just plain lazy. I live in a pretty low-crime area. From time to time, residents complain about things being stolen from their cars. Every single time that I've seen, the cars have been unlocked. A thief certa…

And a larger lock pick tool does pretty much zero in the case you listed as that is not opportunistic. Those are pretty much the open up and steal when they see an unlocked car kind of people. It does nothing for the type of criminals that work in groups and steal tires of 50 cars at once, or whatever soup de jour of automobile parts they want at that moment.

My point is, locks do more than just keep honest people honest, and they are meaningful to some people who are up to no good.

I wasn't addressing picks at all. My opinion there is that it's the lock maker and lock owner's responsibility to resist picking, and the rest of us have no obligation to keep it more difficult by not making tools.

Re: Lock-Picking Robot

#64

It’s the same principle of a safe-cracking robot, but for regular keys. Smart! But… does it do commentary like “one is binding”, and does it try twice to see if it was a fluke? :)

Well no, as it doesn't rely on force feedback.

It could do the "what I have for you today ..."routine though!

Re: Lock-Picking Robot

#65

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The title of this website is literally in another sense than white/grey/black hacker.

Originally the word "hacker" made no distinction between the two meanings. This site is pretty old, so you're right, it was intended in the original "Kevin Mitnik" sense (the original hacker, who ironically would fall outside of the modern definition) The modern acception focused on online computer security came much later. That meaning is neither the one used in the name of this site nor the one that would be releva…

Mitnik is in no sense “the original hacker”. Ever heard of Cap’n Crunch?

Re: Lock-Picking Robot

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post #36
post #23

The number of comments in here slandering the developer’s morality for picking locks is actually pretty surprising for a site literally called Hacker News. Every day there’s a story on the front page of some grey/white-hat showing off an exploit they found to infiltrate a site we all use. It’s an odd double standard.

I mean, you tend to see this everywhere. Hopefully these people do realize that a lock is a promise saying "you belong to a society, be nice". They do very little beyond that, especially these days with small, powerful powertools.

I "belong" to a society? That suggests that a group owns me. Hrm I'm probably nit picking, but the idea of a society owning me isn't something I agree with. Also I'm free to leave.

Re: Lock-Picking Robot

#67

I'm surprised this doesn't use the lishi tools

It's not picking, it's brute forcing every combination. Lishi and other lockpicks require tension and feedback, often one pin at a time, which is the opposite of what this tool is doing.

Right. The next step up is a robot that uses a Lishi tool and force feedback. Then one that just uses a single pin pick and a tensioning tool. This is a neat machine learning problem.

Re: Lock-Picking Robot

#68
Are there commercial versions of an automatic lock picker? Cursory googling seems to only have brute force electronic vibrators, nothing specific. Otherwise it seems like relying on force feedback and mechanically replicating lock picking techniques as a first step might be a great project that seems very technically feasible.

Re: Lock-Picking Robot

#69

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The title of this website is literally in another sense than white/grey/black hacker.

Definition 7 from the Jargon File: "One who enjoys the intellectual challenge of creatively overcoming or circumventing limitations."

I went to hacker events where someone would sell lock-picking tools and practice locks like it's the most natural thing in the world.

Re: Lock-Picking Robot

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post #15

I'm a strong supporter of the "I did it because I wanted to see if I could do it" ethos. So this isn't a criticism of the project itself, but I'm pretty sure a snap gun will beat this almost every time.

I would also kind of respect the project if it was a mechanization of McNally's "It can be opened with a Master Lock".
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