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Re: Cloudflare threatens Italy exit over €14M fine

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post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you read the details of the article? The regulator fined them for not hacking DNS to the whims of the media companies in Italy that want to clamp down on piracy by altering the way DNS works. DNS. The actual "open internet" I think you may have this backwards. To me it seems like something they should talk to local Italian ISPs about, not Cloudflare.

But cloudflare do block things. They tend to block things as a rule the American government wants blocking. The problem is they want to be the people who choose what gets blocked, rather than elected governments. To me, this whole thing is crazy, certainly pull out if you like, but I'm shocked how many people seem to be siding with the profit-making company over an elected government.

They requested a worldwide block, as a bolivian citizen I have not voted for any italian government officials. This article seems heavily biased, ignoring this specific point is really strange.

Re: Cloudflare threatens Italy exit over €14M fine

#52
What a shameless load of reframing. Let’s balance that out a little.

Italy is doing something immoral and significantly harmful, foreigners considered leaving rather than becoming complicit, this guy is morally offended that foreigners think they’re allowed to not be in Italy.

Re: Cloudflare threatens Italy exit over €14M fine

#53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But cloudflare do block things. They tend to block things as a rule the American government wants blocking. The problem is they want to be the people who choose what gets blocked, rather than elected governments. To me, this whole thing is crazy, certainly pull out if you like, but I'm shocked how many people seem to be siding with the profit-making company over an elected government.

They requested a worldwide block, as a bolivian citizen I have not voted for any italian government officials. This article seems heavily biased, ignoring this specific point is really strange.

I guess Bolivian people like to watch soccer live too while that match stream was paid for by an Italian media company. I am not in favour of any of this, but it is easy to defend that request? Legal or fair or not?

Re: Cloudflare threatens Italy exit over €14M fine

#55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They requested a worldwide block, as a bolivian citizen I have not voted for any italian government officials. This article seems heavily biased, ignoring this specific point is really strange.

I guess Bolivian people like to watch soccer live too while that match stream was paid for by an Italian media company. I am not in favour of any of this, but it is easy to defend that request? Legal or fair or not?

If you ignore the fact that the requests that these companies have made previously show incompetence, like when they randomly blocked google drive due to it being used to host copyrighted content. Do you want them randomly disabling CDNs or other sites globally if any user happens to use them for piracy?

https://www.ansa.it/canale_tecnologia/notizie/cybersecurity/...

Re: Cloudflare threatens Italy exit over €14M fine

#56

> At the heart of the conflict is Italy’s ‘Piracy Shield,’ a system designed to combat illegal live streams of sports events, such as Serie A football matches. The law requires internet service providers to block reported piracy sites within 30 minutes. AGCOM insists that Cloudflare comply with these demands through its public DNS service, 1.1.1.1. When Cloudflare allegedly failed to do so, the regulator imposed a fi…

Copyright overrides net neutrality.

Re: Cloudflare threatens Italy exit over €14M fine

#57
post #39

> The law requires internet service providers to block reported piracy sites within 30 minutes. AGCOM insists that Cloudflare comply with these demands through its public DNS service, 1.1.1.1. When Cloudflare allegedly failed to do so, the regulator imposed a fine of over €14 million. Sports conglomerates and their lobbying should kindly fuck off. If they want to sue a site the old fashioned web for IP infringement t…

Pirate sites are probably hosted in places where they can't really be sued.

Re: Cloudflare threatens Italy exit over €14M fine

#58
post #18

A wolf in sheep's clothing. Cloudflare care about the "open internet" exactly as far as they can profit from it. Why does the "open internet" not allow this polity the right to block itself from that which it deems as harmful?

Did you read the details of the article? The regulator fined them for not hacking DNS to the whims of the media companies in Italy that want to clamp down on piracy by altering the way DNS works. DNS. The actual "open internet" I think you may have this backwards. To me it seems like something they should talk to local Italian ISPs about, not Cloudflare.

Cloudflare is an ISP operating in Italy. If you want IP blocking instead of DNS blocking the results will be even worse.

Re: Cloudflare threatens Italy exit over €14M fine

#60

> At the heart of the conflict is Italy’s ‘Piracy Shield,’ a system designed to combat illegal live streams of sports events, such as Serie A football matches. The law requires internet service providers to block reported piracy sites within 30 minutes. AGCOM insists that Cloudflare comply with these demands through its public DNS service, 1.1.1.1. When Cloudflare allegedly failed to do so, the regulator imposed a fi…

Unfortunately even if we did have net neutrality, the EU is only a confederation at best, national law supercedes it.
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