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Re: Cloudflare threatens Italy exit over €14M fine

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nah, sports broadcasters and organizations shouldn't get special veto privileges on the internet.

How would you solve banning of pirated live streams of matches? Do you believe every event should be accessible for free to anyone?

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Re: Cloudflare threatens Italy exit over €14M fine

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> At the heart of the conflict is Italy’s ‘Piracy Shield,’ a system designed to combat illegal live streams of sports events, such as Serie A football matches. The law requires internet service providers to block reported piracy sites within 30 minutes. AGCOM insists that Cloudflare comply with these demands through its public DNS service, 1.1.1.1. When Cloudflare allegedly failed to do so, the regulator imposed a fi…

It's regular practice to block arbitrary websites in EU countries. From Spain to Germany to Italy, DNS blocks are common. Naturally "rightsholders" abuse this often.

Common in all countries. US will seize domains from TLDs under US jurisdiction.

Re: Cloudflare threatens Italy exit over €14M fine

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Cloudflare PR seems to have handled this badly (judging by the fast shift in HN tone). DNS censorship is wildly unpopular. This should have been one of the easier PR jobs in the tech world: they were handed free positive publicity on a silver platter. Heck, HN expressly called on Cloudflare to take up this exact fight[0]; and now that they have, they've still, somehow, managed to turn most of HN against them. How is…

> managed to turn most of HN against them.

Most of HN is against Cloudflare by default. They didn't 'turn' anything in this specific event.

Re: Cloudflare threatens Italy exit over €14M fine

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post #36

> At the heart of the conflict is Italy’s ‘Piracy Shield,’ a system designed to combat illegal live streams of sports events, such as Serie A football matches. The law requires internet service providers to block reported piracy sites within 30 minutes. AGCOM insists that Cloudflare comply with these demands through its public DNS service, 1.1.1.1. When Cloudflare allegedly failed to do so, the regulator imposed a fi…

It's regular practice to block arbitrary websites in EU countries. From Spain to Germany to Italy, DNS blocks are common. Naturally "rightsholders" abuse this often.

I only know this to be done for televised sports, notably soccer here in the EU. Looking at those block lists, they are mainly streaming sites.

Re: Cloudflare threatens Italy exit over €14M fine

#46

Cloudflare PR seems to have handled this badly (judging by the fast shift in HN tone). DNS censorship is wildly unpopular. This should have been one of the easier PR jobs in the tech world: they were handed free positive publicity on a silver platter. Heck, HN expressly called on Cloudflare to take up this exact fight[0]; and now that they have, they've still, somehow, managed to turn most of HN against them. How is…

As we saw with the Kiwi Farms incident, Cloudflare, and especially their CEO, are not very savvy when it comes to PR.

The twitter rant complete with some weird AI generated image doesn't help.

https://xcancel.com/eastdakota/status/2009654937303896492

Re: Cloudflare threatens Italy exit over €14M fine

#47

Cloudflare PR seems to have handled this badly (judging by the fast shift in HN tone). DNS censorship is wildly unpopular. This should have been one of the easier PR jobs in the tech world: they were handed free positive publicity on a silver platter. Heck, HN expressly called on Cloudflare to take up this exact fight[0]; and now that they have, they've still, somehow, managed to turn most of HN against them. How is…

Knee-jerk reactions on HN tend toward supporting anything that hurts Big Tech companies. The early reactions on stories like this are about picking a side, not evaluating the issue. It takes some time for the people who read the articles to weigh in. The comments usually settle out later.

Re: Cloudflare threatens Italy exit over €14M fine

#48
Italy's policy seems an abomination and Cloudflare seems to have a point from a commercial position. But that they do have this amount of leverage is a much bigger problem:

> Yet the core issue is infrastructural. For years, Europe has allowed vital parts of the internet to fall into the hands of American companies

Or, is the core infrastructural issue that for the past 20+ years Internet protocols have stalled, yielding capabilities almost exclusively to centralized (and apparently highly concentrated) commercial services.

Re: Cloudflare threatens Italy exit over €14M fine

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> At the heart of the conflict is Italy’s ‘Piracy Shield,’ a system designed to combat illegal live streams of sports events, such as Serie A football matches. The law requires internet service providers to block reported piracy sites within 30 minutes. AGCOM insists that Cloudflare comply with these demands through its public DNS service, 1.1.1.1. When Cloudflare allegedly failed to do so, the regulator imposed a fi…

Google: CUII (Clearingstelle fuer Urheberrecht im Internet).

It's essentially a Dachverband of ISPs, bypassing all legal requirements and the judicative system to block domains across all ISPs.

There's this kid who found out about it and scraped their API, then created the cuiiliste [dot] de website where you can check what kind of domains are blocked by ISPs.

The verfassungsblog wrote about it, too, from a legal perspective [1] (German).

[1] https://verfassungsblog.de/netzsperren-cuii/

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