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Pirate Bay Moves to The Cloud, Becomes Raid-Proof

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Re: Pirate Bay Moves to The Cloud, Becomes Raid-Proof

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Post by chii »

dhx wrote: post #19

and even in the event they [cloud providers] found out it would be impossible for them to gather data on the users. The encryption key that is providing disk encryption on the VM instances would be accessible to the VM host. The VM host could also directly access the memory of the VM instances to read the disk cache, etc.

I think that quote was made because the writer was confused about what happens during live operation, and what happens during the time when communication was cut.

The host could potentially sniff the traffic during live operation by sniffing the memory of the vm.

But when the vm's communication is cut, the whole disk is encrypted. I expect this encryption to be done using some sort of public/private key encryption scheme, such that without the private key, you can't actually unencrypt the disk. THis is what is meant by gathering data on the user i suspect.

Re: Pirate Bay Moves to The Cloud, Becomes Raid-Proof

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Post by chii »

haakon wrote: post #17
S4M wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's gonna be hard to identify who is usung TOR, and doing so will require to take measures that will be against freedom, like controlling what people are installing on their computers.

It's very easy to identify most people who use Tor (almost all nodes are publicly available). You can't know what they use it for, but if merely using it becomes illegal, the secret police will have a very neat list of houses to visit.

it would be a real sad day when the world regresses to such a state - i mean, why did the free world win WWII for then?

Re: Pirate Bay Moves to The Cloud, Becomes Raid-Proof

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Post by chii »

rmc wrote: post #8
jacquesm wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All it takes is for some political body to lean heavily enough on the TLD registry. .se and .org are no more invulnerable to this than .com

Perhaps. And that's why you have many TLDs. So .se and .org are gone, so it moves somewhere else, then it moves again.

I think somehow the MAAFIA is going to manage to get laws passed which will null out any set of words they like in the registry without prior notice. This would mean the end of DNS as we know it i guess. Or stipulate that DNS services reveal those who registered and then can prosecute along those lines.

Re: Pirate Bay Moves to The Cloud, Becomes Raid-Proof

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Post by chii »

smogzer wrote: post #16

They have to do it like this: - emule like dht. - keep a cache of 1000 of ips that had trustworthy content in different ip neighbourhoods. - provide a pub-sub of new content + hot/top files. - seed one-to-download one file. Host encrypted content, freenet style to have faster speeds on other files. Never allowing a file to go seedless. - the software could be provided as a chrome+firefox sandboxed addon or something…

basically, truly distributed DNS servers, where your domain name->ip maps are shared and voted on iteratively and continuously. Its synonymous with bitcoin in that sense, where the only way to break it is to have control of X% of the computers involved in the entire cluster (and then make X a really high percentage so that it costs prohibitively high to undermine the system).

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Post by adambyrtek »

SquareWheel wrote: post #18
gambiting wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And then they will move exclusively to TOR. And then TOR will be outlawed and anybody using it will be sentenced to 20 years in prison.

Somehow I don't think bittorent under TOR would catch on. Unless you don't mind waiting two weeks to watch your new movie.

Tor could be used only for trackers, not the actual data.

Re: Pirate Bay Moves to The Cloud, Becomes Raid-Proof

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Post by adambyrtek »

chii wrote: post #22
haakon wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's very easy to identify most people who use Tor (almost all nodes are publicly available). You can't know what they use it for, but if merely using it becomes illegal, the secret police will have a very neat list of houses to visit.

it would be a real sad day when the world regresses to such a state - i mean, why did the free world win WWII for then?

What free world? Soviet Union was on the winning side of WWII, and the result for many European countries (including mine) was decades of communist repressions. History is more complex than a Hollywood movie, with good guys vs bad guys.

Re: Pirate Bay Moves to The Cloud, Becomes Raid-Proof

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Post by jdangu »

chii wrote: post #24
smogzer wrote: post #16

They have to do it like this: - emule like dht. - keep a cache of 1000 of ips that had trustworthy content in different ip neighbourhoods. - provide a pub-sub of new content + hot/top files. - seed one-to-download one file. Host encrypted content, freenet style to have faster speeds on other files. Never allowing a file to go seedless. - the software could be provided as a chrome+firefox sandboxed addon or something…

basically, truly distributed DNS servers, where your domain name->ip maps are shared and voted on iteratively and continuously. Its synonymous with bitcoin in that sense, where the only way to break it is to have control of X% of the computers involved in the entire cluster (and then make X a really high percentage so that it costs prohibitively high to undermine the system).

Check out NameCoin http://dot-bit.org/Main_Page

Re: Pirate Bay Moves to The Cloud, Becomes Raid-Proof

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Post by zllak »

Something that could be "funny", if that governments, when they don't understand something, they just call it outlaw/illegal, as they almost did for P2P. That's not because someone make a bad use of something that the whole thing must be considered as dangerous. How long before the "cloud" is declared illegal by governments ? :)

Re: Pirate Bay Moves to The Cloud, Becomes Raid-Proof

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Post by moe »

kennu wrote: post #4
mariusmg wrote: post #2

Isn't it enough to take down the DNS servers to make TPB unusable for sharing (at least to add new torrents) ? Achieving fault tolerance using a few cloud providers is nice (and expensive) but they're still far from raid proof (all it takes is some coordination from police in multiple countries).

According to the article the main vulnerability would be the load-balancer, which is hosted separately. Traffic between it and the cloud instances is encrypted, so that the cloud providers don't actually know they're hosting The Pirate Bay.

so that the cloud providers don't actually know they're hosting The Pirate Bay.

When the IP addresses of the 'loadbalancers' are known then it takes any cloud-provider the better part of 5 minutes to determine which of their instances are exchanging how much traffic with those IP addresses.

However, if a country really wants to go ballistic on TPB then it'd be much easier to just knock their public-facing IPs out at the IX-level[1]. A fairly low-cost operation (if your legislation enables it) and the only circumvention is then to proxy through a different country - a significant barrier for most users.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Internet_exchange_point...

Re: Pirate Bay Moves to The Cloud, Becomes Raid-Proof

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Post by smiler »

maeon3 wrote: post #10

It's like robin hood taking from the rich and giving to the poor, his motives are pure, depending on how you look at it, and robin hood can continue this as long as the governing body who wants him dead is inept at catching him. The pirate bay, like robin hood, cannot live forever. SOME of us will only be stronger than ALL of us for brief moments in history. The only way TPB is to survive is for it to make good on it…

"It's like robin hood taking from the rich and giving to the poor"

No, really, it's not. For the most part it is encouraging people to consume something for free they should have paid for.

I really don't get the love for TPB and copyright infringement in general on HN when most are dreaming of starting businesses where you need people to hand over money.

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