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Post by dragonwriter »

embedding-shape wrote: post #596
alex43578 wrote: post #545

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It’s a disservice to the horrors of the Holocaust to implicitly compare returning Mexican nationals to Mexico, Somalis to Somalia, or hell, even Venezuelans to El Salvador with sending box cars of people to death camps. The US has had and enforced immigration laws for decades, with Obama alone deporting 3 million people. What aspect of Trump doing it is uniquely fascist/authoritarian?

> What aspect of Trump doing it is uniquely fascist/authoritarian? Short non-extensive list: Has enforcement been explicitly prioritized based on political control of areas? Yes, senior directives and public statements emphasized prioritizing deportations in Democratic-led cities. Suppression of lawful civic activity? Yes, crowd-control force was repeatedly used against protesters, media, and observers near ICE facil…

> Do Americans not learn about fascism and authoritarianism in school when you grow up?

Like, in historical names and dates, sure.

In terms of process, signs, and systemic issues? Not really, even before the recent push in many parts of the country to make the curriculum even more friendly to, particularly, white nationalist authoritarianism, historical and more current.

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Post by deeg »

asa400 wrote: post #560
embedding-shape wrote: post #315

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If all those things happened in Spain where I live, I'm 99% we'd have actual riots on the streets, together with a lot of other unpleasant-but-needed civilian action, until things got better, like we've done in the past (sometimes maybe went slightly overboard with it, but better than nothing). Why are Americans so passive? You're literally transitioning into straight up authoritarianism, yet where are the riots? How…

First, all of what you say is true. I'm going to try to add a little context as someone who is here on the ground, in the city in question. There is the imminent threat of mass death, and no one here is under any illusions about it. Every ICE agent is armed, and most have ready access to automatic weapons. These are not well-trained members of an elite organization with a storied, patriotic culture. ICE is a personal…

Well done, thank you.

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Post by KAMSPioneer »

embedding-shape wrote: post #607
SigmundA wrote: post #506

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>South of Spain to the North of Sweden to take 50 hours, more or less the same. That would be like driving from Key West to Prudhoe Bay which looks to be 91 hours. Sorry the US is big spread out place, but I also agree it's not really an excuse for what's happening.

> That would be like driving from Key West to Prudhoe Bay which looks to be 91 hours. Haha, yeah, at least I got a laugh from it, thank you :) A fair comparison then I guess would be from Canary Islands to Svalbard, if we're aiming to make it as far as possible to make some imaginary point no one cares about :)

Well if we're including islands then Hawai'i is pretty far away...

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Post by VK-pro »

BuckRogers wrote: post #575
NickC25 wrote: post #445

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How or why people tie a religion centered around the brown jewish dude in Palestine who advocated for the poor, the sick, the needy, the disabled, and immigrants....with a fat pedophile who wears orange makeup is just strange to me.

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Banger tweet there, happy for you, or sorry that happened!

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Post by Steven420 »

fzeroracer wrote: post #605
Steven420 wrote: post #513

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Most of those are shorts clips that do not show the context of the situation. These sorts of clips are what is causing people to believe the actions of federal agents are not justified when they actually are. When the initial clip of Renee Good came out people thought that the she did not drive into the agent but now that other angles have come out it is clear that she did hit the federal agent. It is always importan…

In what world do you think it's acceptable to knee someone in the face repeatedly when they're on the ground and not resisting? You clearly didn't watch the videos at all.

Saw the video that you are referring to and it looks like the person is in fact resisting. Also I would not call that good law enforcement and don't agree with the officer doing that

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Post by jajuuka »

embedding-shape wrote: post #315
andrewvc wrote: post #19

For an idea as to how this gets translated into the reality on the ground here in Minneapolis this is an article on what’s going on from the main newspaper in the state. > In the past week alone, ICE boxed in a Woodbury real estate agent recording their movements from his car, slammed him to the ground and detained him at the Whipple Federal Building near Fort Snelling for 10 hours. A 51-year-old teacher patrolling t…

If all those things happened in Spain where I live, I'm 99% we'd have actual riots on the streets, together with a lot of other unpleasant-but-needed civilian action, until things got better, like we've done in the past (sometimes maybe went slightly overboard with it, but better than nothing). Why are Americans so passive? You're literally transitioning into straight up authoritarianism, yet where are the riots? How…

Isn't the same true of in the EU though? Immigrants and refugees from Syria were treated quite harshly and has led to a significant rise in far right parties across Europe. These parties are actively harassing immigrants and non-white groups. But there doesn't seem to be riots in the streets over it.

It's almost flipped how the US and Europe have dealt with threats. The US has a long history of organized hate groups having the run of things. I don't Europe has experienced anything like the KKK for as long. However Europe is not far removed from fascist and authoritarian regimes. So things are more fresh in the minds of citizens and they are more likely to fight them. However when attacked through another method it subverts that and allows tacit approval from the public while their neighborhoods are transformed for the worse.

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Post by [deleted] »

fzeroracer wrote: post #605
Steven420 wrote: post #513

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most of those are shorts clips that do not show the context of the situation. These sorts of clips are what is causing people to believe the actions of federal agents are not justified when they actually are. When the initial clip of Renee Good came out people thought that the she did not drive into the agent but now that other angles have come out it is clear that she did hit the federal agent. It is always importan…

In what world do you think it's acceptable to knee someone in the face repeatedly when they're on the ground and not resisting? You clearly didn't watch the videos at all.

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Post by mindslight »

alpine_accentor wrote: post #609
mindslight wrote: post #548

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> It makes perfect sense to concentrate law enforcement in a state that is in defiance Using the word "defiance" indicates that your perspective is decidedly not American . Both the States and the Federal government are co-sovereign, mediated by the US Constitution that spells out the rights and responsibilities of each. The Federal government is currently in willful and flagrant default of this founding charter - bo…

They are certainly NOT co-sovereign, that is an absurd statement as states cannot leave the Union. Any sovereign party can withdraw from a treaty. The states are represented in their ability to collectively steer the federal government by Congress and the Electoral College. The feds are currently enforcing the ill will of both which sadly is the result of last elections.

I said co-sovereign, not that they're both independently sovereign (required for your treaty example). This is straightforward law, go read up on it. States are considered sovereign themselves, with powers limited by the US Constitution - the same qualification as the Federal government.

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Post by aendruk »

gamerdonkey wrote: post #589
xyzelement wrote: post #465

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I think it's something different than "Americans are passive" - rather, many of them/us perceive the context of what you're seeing very differently. I can share some of this perspective though I don't insist it's the only way to feel. 1. Americans on the ground are clearly feeling the effects of illegal immigration. As an example: a an African American janitor in our kids' school voted republican in 2024 for the firs…

> As an example: a an African American janitor in our kids' school voted republican in 2024 for the first time in his life, because the park in his Brooklyn neighborhood has become a shanty town and he can't work out there. Okay, first off, I am just very confused by this sentence. How is the "shanty town" preventing him from working? Does he work from his home in Brooklyn? Is the school located in the park? Does he…

> How is the "shanty town" preventing him from working?

Not working; working out.

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Post by SlightlyLeftPad »

glial wrote: post #252
SlightlyLeftPad wrote: post #31

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As bad as Chicago?

Here's a recent write-up by a local: https://wburdine.substack.com/p/letter-from-an-occupied-minn...

How do we get this read by more people this is crazy.
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