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Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by andoando »

brightball wrote: post #245
stackghost wrote: post #45

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This is what happens when one allows oneself to hide in "safe spaces" (like HN) where there's a "no politics" rule enabling people to hide and avoid being confronted with the ramifications of their actions. The entire world runs on technology now. It's all inherently political.

I'm going to defend the HN "no politics" rule here. The reason "no politics" zones exist is because there are enough people going out of their way to shout at everybody, everywhere, in every corner of the internet and enough people are tired of it that they flock to...no politics zones. In real life, a person like that confronts you...you remove yourself from the situation, because that person who can't stop shouting…

Same, you wouldn't criticize a woodworking forum for not having politics.

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

jalapenoh wrote: post #363
embedding-shape wrote: post #315

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If all those things happened in Spain where I live, I'm 99% we'd have actual riots on the streets, together with a lot of other unpleasant-but-needed civilian action, until things got better, like we've done in the past (sometimes maybe went slightly overboard with it, but better than nothing). Why are Americans so passive? You're literally transitioning into straight up authoritarianism, yet where are the riots? How…

Americans have wanted the border fixed for around a century.

Fixed like Putin is "fixing" his borders through immoral violence, murder, oppression, ...? (Trump's regime are mimicking it well.) Or do you mean something else?

Are you saying USA, in the majority, is still imperialist? Is still racist? Is still white supremacist?

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by basket_horse »

praptak wrote: post #375
DetectDefect wrote: post #203

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Palantir does not work in a vacuum - it requires other technology, platforms and systems to operate and succeed - many of which are designed and maintained by the users of Hacker News. Take a look at Palantir's trust center: https://palantir.safebase.us Schellman did their audit and compliance - do they have blood on their hands? How about AWS, GCP, Azure cloud resources used by Palantir - are they stained, too?

Yes, this is how market economy works. For every organization doing horrible things, literally everyone is a small number of payment-handshakes from it. No, it doesn't mean that "mr gotcha"[1] argument is valid. You don't have to isolate yourself from society Kaczynski-style to either criticize society or to do something smaller (like choosing who you work for). [1] https://thenib.com/mister-gotcha/

Sure, but in that case your rage should be directed at ICE / the federal government. Not a third party software vendor.

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by mindslight »

wat10000 wrote: post #311
no-dr-onboard wrote: post #200

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That's a pretty broad generalization, but OK I'll bite. - I think Yarvin has a lot of good points. No one should be ashamed to admit the truth of a matter. I can't stand his voice, I think he has annoying mannerisms, but nonetheless the man has a point and I'm not ashamed (especially by unknown and strange online personas) to say so. - Palantir is objectively a profitable job. I've learned a lot here and the people I…

Can you elaborate on some of Yarvin's points you think are good?

Honest-to-God truthfully, reading Moldbug is what made me realize the speciousness of pure rightism and ushered my journey from a rightist-axiomatic "Libertarian" / ancap to a centrist-qualitative libertarian-without-labels that sees left and right thinking as both necessary parts of a complete whole. But YMMV, apparently!

In general I think whenever you find a "red pill", you also end up confronted with a whole slew of new easy answers. Whether you end up buying into them or not really comes down to who you are as a person.

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by senordevnyc »

embedding-shape wrote: post #379
throwaway853578 wrote: post #347

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Because I have a kid to take care of. A job I need to keep, and a way of life I'd like to maintain. Because it's not happening where I live (yet). I care about people but I don't give a fuck about my country. It's just a place to live. If it gets too bad I'll move my family elsewhere. Also, this whole checks and balances thing we learned about in school will surely kick in sometime soon...

> Because I have a kid to take care of. A job I need to keep, and a way of life I'd like to maintain. Exactly, so why not go out on the streets and actually defend those things then? Currently your (presumed) inaction will cause those to be harmed, you're not "saving those" by saying and doing nothing, you're effectively giving them away if you don't actively protect them.

The same reason you guys don't just deal with any of the big problems facing Spain that collective action would solve pretty quickly?

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Post by Amezarak »

benrutter wrote: post #181
jonnybgood wrote: post #163

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The US gov (including ICE) uses all of Microsoft Office for coordination and planning: email, spreadsheets, powerpoint, document generation, etc. Would you say Microsoft employees have blood on their hands too? If not, what makes Microsoft different?

From the article for context: > Palantir is working on a tool for Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) that populates a map with potential deportation targets, brings up a dossier on each person, and provides a “confidence score” on the person’s current address So essentially, the relevant app here is custom built in order to help ICE raids. That's substantially different from generic office tech where ICE happe…

You're going to have to explain to me why it's a bad thing or immoral for the government to be aware of where immigrants who legally need to be deported live.

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by embedding-shape »

afavour wrote: post #398
embedding-shape wrote: post #315

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If all those things happened in Spain where I live, I'm 99% we'd have actual riots on the streets, together with a lot of other unpleasant-but-needed civilian action, until things got better, like we've done in the past (sometimes maybe went slightly overboard with it, but better than nothing). Why are Americans so passive? You're literally transitioning into straight up authoritarianism, yet where are the riots? How…

A broad answer: because America is more violent. The ICE officers are armed and absolutely will use their weapons if given half a chance to. Maybe I’m wrong but I don’t think any rioters in countries like Spain go to a protest with a bet real chance on their minds that they might die.

> Maybe I’m wrong but I don’t think any rioters in countries like Spain go to a protest with a bet real chance on their minds that they might die.

That's the thing, they do, and have in the past too. Some might even recall riots ~70 years ago that kind of spiraled out of control and led to a civil war.

Looking at what's happening in Iran as we speak might be a good idea as well, where they've had enough, know that there is a good chance of their regime literally executing them on the spot, yet they're brave enough to continue fighting, because they realize what's at stake, and have run out of other options.

> The ICE officers are armed and absolutely will use their weapons if given half a chance to

So this was the whole point with the 2nd amendment right, that when/if the government repress you in that way, you have weapons to fight back? Or am I misunderstanding what that part is/was about?

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Post by hvb2 »

afavour wrote: post #398
embedding-shape wrote: post #315

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If all those things happened in Spain where I live, I'm 99% we'd have actual riots on the streets, together with a lot of other unpleasant-but-needed civilian action, until things got better, like we've done in the past (sometimes maybe went slightly overboard with it, but better than nothing). Why are Americans so passive? You're literally transitioning into straight up authoritarianism, yet where are the riots? How…

A broad answer: because America is more violent. The ICE officers are armed and absolutely will use their weapons if given half a chance to. Maybe I’m wrong but I don’t think any rioters in countries like Spain go to a protest with a bet real chance on their minds that they might die.

This....

But then I still hear people say that this is what the 2nd amendment is for... Meanwhile, to make sure they have the heavier weapons, law enforcement goes absolutely bananas on what they carry.

The second amendment was written in a time when a firearm was a musket.

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by LastTrain »

brightball wrote: post #296
LastTrain wrote: post #265

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If there is proof of it would it change your mind about anything?

Proof is always better. I assume just about everything I hear about politics on the internet is exaggerated until I see evidence at this point.

Yes but if shown proof would it change your mind about anything? Are you against federal law enforcement covering their faces, beating and detaining people illegally?
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